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South guys,
Can you tell me how the trips in the bid packets are organized? I don't see the logic. They seem to be all over the place. At NW they were organized from longest to shortest and then by credit time within the group. I.E. 5 day trips were listed from highest credit to least. Made it easier to flip through the packet to find what you wanted and ignore the rest.
Thanks,
Gnewt
Can you tell me how the trips in the bid packets are organized? I don't see the logic. They seem to be all over the place. At NW they were organized from longest to shortest and then by credit time within the group. I.E. 5 day trips were listed from highest credit to least. Made it easier to flip through the packet to find what you wanted and ignore the rest.
Thanks,
Gnewt
Yikes, so does this cascade down throughout the bid awards or can they handle this on a case by case basis?
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There are errors made on virtually every AE. Its a very complicated process with multiple sometimes hundreds of loop backs. Parts are done by hand. Normally they correct any errors quickly. Normally they do not cancel a bid if they have to award a AE to someone else because they made a error. They simply carry the overage. If a additional AE pushes you below a qualifier you can call them and stay in your current category.
I don't want to pretend the technical issues are not significant, and I'm not interested in debating how it was done at NW, but am I the only one here who thinks there is something dangerously wrong when errors are allowed in the chain, to be resolved individually only when somebody squeals, to prevent further legitmate "cascade" awards?
IOW, if one person's award affects the next person down, and so forth, but only a few errors along the way are fixed, doesn't that put into question the legitimacy of the entire award?
The company has always seemed to help themselves to an award they can live with, based on allowing extra AE's to certain categories, not forcing all displacements, etc. I can live with that, to an extent, because it affects a group of pilots trying to get into a category, or stay in a category, without discrimination. But what strikes me as unusual about this award is that it appears some of the individual awards are incorrect for one pilot relative to another. Whether this was done for the sake of expediency, or for the sake of limiting training events, it tells me that there are potentially many of us that didn't get what we diserved.
I'd like more clarity into the process, and I'd love to know more about how ALPA is involved. Is it a process as transparent as PBS? Because PBS does yield an occasional misaward, but overall it is proving trustworthy. For the first time since I joined Delta, the AE process doesn't look like it diserves the same respect.
The AE process is very liberal by design.
If there were mistakes made, then yes, they will fix them, but they will also have the right to stop the cascading effect by holing a few extra in category.
If there were mistakes made, then yes, they will fix them, but they will also have the right to stop the cascading effect by holing a few extra in category.
I was reminded of it (by the union) when the union put out a contract bulletin about it after they made the company put the reminder pop up in dbms a few years ago.
Not sure how much they stressed it in fNWA info (if at all?) but I'd think it's reasonable to say that even if they didn't know about it, after they get the pop up screen reminding them to enter the expenses, they'd at least ask a question of somebody?
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