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Old 01-04-2010, 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Tinpusher007
The article says JAL would slash its own services to code-share on DL. But Im wondering how that would play out long term. When JAL returns to financial health, would it really allow most of its Japan-US flights to simply be flown on DL instead of its own metal?
This is an interesting phenominon. (Did I spell that right?) can you say SCOPE? Could it be for once that DAL could be on the good end of a code share issue for a change? I would think that those kinds of details would have to be worked out well in advance. Either way, one would think there should be some compensatory consideration coming from cooperation.
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Old 01-04-2010, 06:38 AM
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American disputes accounts that JAL wants to pick Delta as its overseas partner...
Dallas Morning News (blog) - ‎21 minutes ago‎

JAL says has employee approval for pension cuts
Reuters - Nobuhiro Kubo, Hans Peters - ‎51 minutes ago‎
TOKYO, Jan 4 (Reuters) - Japan Airlines Corp (9205.T) said more than two-thirds of its employees had agreed to proposed pension cuts, clearing one key ...

Japan Airlines Shares Jump as More Aid Is Sought
New York Times - ‎2 hours ago‎
By REUTERS TOKYO — Shares of Japan Airlines jumped 31 percent Monday as the government looked to secure funds to prevent the carrier from running out of ...

Asian markets start 2010 on upbeat note
Channel News Asia - ‎3 hours ago‎
HONG KONG: Asian markets began the new decade broadly higher Monday with dealers in Tokyo lifted by news of extended credit to Japan Airlines and a strong ...

Japan Airlines soars on Delta speculation
Times Online - ‎4 hours ago‎
Shares in Japan Airlines began the year with an unprecedented surge of 31 per cent – a market reaction to the announcement of a new $2.2 credit line from ...

Japan Airlines shares surge on lifeline
Financial Times - Lindsay Whipp - ‎4 hours ago‎
JAL jumped 31.3 per cent to Y88, after earlier climbing as much as 38.8 per cent on the first day of trading after the New Year ...

Japan Air Jumps as Development Bank Doubles Credit
BusinessWeek - Makiko Kitamura - ‎6 hours ago‎
Jan. 4 (Bloomberg) -- Japan Airlines Corp., Asia's biggest carrier by sales, had a record jump in Tokyo trading after state-run ...
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Old 01-04-2010, 06:46 AM
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If JAL shares are going up, I wonder why DAL is going down? Do the financial markets think it's bad for Delta?
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Old 01-04-2010, 06:49 AM
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The Street was calculating the cost of blowing slides yesterday. Or maybe people are thinking they want to cash out a little on DAL stock.

Ia, since you had a baby in November you are a prime candidate to join the late night Latest & Greatest about Delta hosted by the nocturnal 80 Knots Clamp with occasional posts by ACL! Posts occur from 12-1am, 1-2am, 3-4am but never after 4am and the host doesn't show back up til noon but I'm sure you'll be back at around 5-6am and 6-7am. We're dealing with the teething phase right now, lots of snot and slobber and I'm here from 12-3am.

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Old 01-04-2010, 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Cogf16
This SLI would be another very difficult proposition.
Probably not so difficult once unrealistic expectations and egos are taken out of the equation.

Category/Status ratios plus an "x" factor for "wide bodied" international flying expectations.

With AAA/AWA, Nicolau was faced with a somewhat similar scenario. He stapled 517 AAA pilots on the top of the list to account for the "wide bodied" international flying and then applied category status for the similar fleet types.

The 517 AAA pilots on the top of the list were the total number of captains + the total number of first officers flying wide bodied international. The first officer numbers were added on top to account for wide bodied expectations and longevity.

Not sure if the same disparity exists in longevity, so perhaps all the wide bodied F/O positions wouldn't be considered, but some factor would be used.

With DAL/NWA once again category status dominated the award plus an "x" factor for longevity.

Naturally, there would be a great deal of angst driven rhetoric tossed about in an SLI. However, at the end of the day it will all come down to category/status ratios plus an "x" factor for longevity and expectations. We would either get there on our own and negotiate it or an arbitrator will award it.
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Old 01-04-2010, 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
The Street was calculating the cost of blowing slides yesterday. Or maybe people are thinking they want to cash out a little on DAL stock.

Ia, since you had a baby in November you are a prime candidate to join the late night Latest & Greatest about Delta hosted by the nocturnal 80 Knots Clamp with occasional posts by ACL! Posts occur from 12-1am, 1-2am, 3-4am but never after 4am and the host doesn't show back up til noon but I'm sure you'll be back at around 5-6am and 6-7am. We're dealing with the teething phase right now, lots of snot and slobber and I'm here from 12-3am.
Heheh... you are sooo right. I was on Facebook at 2am. I had stopped by this thread earlier but hadn't added anything. (I think - I've only been up a short bit). My shift right now is 10pm through 2am, but the hours can vary - last night I got rerouted and was up until 3a. ;-)
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Old 01-04-2010, 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Dirtdiver
Small world indeed! 82-01, No Loss and Boomer, FAIPed to Hacker. You must've been in my first class after PIT.
AHHHHH.........could you have been my IP?! No his initials were/are JK. Recognize them?

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Old 01-04-2010, 07:25 AM
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83-01 Raindance and Boomer. I knew there was some reason why I liked you Denny! and Ferd. Ahh... Willie by the sea!

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Old 01-04-2010, 08:21 AM
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Has anyone called crew resources and pestered them about when the projected training and category lists are going to be posted? I don't want to call and bug them if someone already has.
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Old 01-04-2010, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by iaflyer
Heheh... you are sooo right. I was on Facebook at 2am. I had stopped by this thread earlier but hadn't added anything. (I think - I've only been up a short bit). My shift right now is 10pm through 2am, but the hours can vary - last night I got rerouted and was up until 3a. ;-)
Those reroute alarms are loud and only get louder as the months go on. Immediate acknowledgement is required.
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