Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
12-31-2009, 06:47 AM
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12-31-2009, 06:52 AM
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12-31-2009, 06:56 AM
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Bar, does your data include their latest contract pay rates? Also, I think their reserve guarantee is 79 hours (short call) and 75 (long call). I was looking at their retirement, doesn't seem like they have real high A or B fund contributions (compared to AMR) so hopefully that status doesn't play against us (DB vs DC in the eyes of an arbitrator). If allowed to happen, I am convinced the 2000 and on hires will get hammered (both sides this time).
As far as I am concerned, if DAL wants to tap into the west coast markets, I think that flying would be better done by Delta pilots. I think we have a fairly weak presence out west compared to JBLU, SWA, UAL and AA. Expansion is a better option for us than another SLI. At least NWA brought 3 billion and a profitable structure at $100/barrel, AS is struggling right now at $78/barrel.
As far as I am concerned, if DAL wants to tap into the west coast markets, I think that flying would be better done by Delta pilots. I think we have a fairly weak presence out west compared to JBLU, SWA, UAL and AA. Expansion is a better option for us than another SLI. At least NWA brought 3 billion and a profitable structure at $100/barrel, AS is struggling right now at $78/barrel.
+1 on the internal growth. I think that we are tied to AS for like 10 years though. I could be wrong...
12-31-2009, 07:03 AM
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12-31-2009, 07:05 AM
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Oh just fun.
What is the roberts deal?
And how does this ratio work?
Our #1 73NA pilot is #134 (a 1979 hire), our #1 73NB pilot is #3243 (a 1989 hire).
So does that mean their #1 73A pilot would be equal to #134 or a 1979 hire and their 73B would be a 1989 hire and you ratio from there? Or is it more like where a median of 73N pilots are on our list and then you move from there?
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FWIW everybody:
AS has bases in ANC, SEA and LAX.
AS has 82 73Ns, 34 73 Classic 400s.
AS has 1455 pilots, 106 are on furlough and 2006 is their most junior pilot (we have 1165 pilots junior to our most senior 2007 hire).
AS pays a 75 hour guarantee and split their long call and short call with the later making 79 hours.
AS FO starting salary is $46/hr, 12 year CA salary is $172/hr.
What is the roberts deal?
And how does this ratio work?
Our #1 73NA pilot is #134 (a 1979 hire), our #1 73NB pilot is #3243 (a 1989 hire).
So does that mean their #1 73A pilot would be equal to #134 or a 1979 hire and their 73B would be a 1989 hire and you ratio from there? Or is it more like where a median of 73N pilots are on our list and then you move from there?
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FWIW everybody:
AS has bases in ANC, SEA and LAX.
AS has 82 73Ns, 34 73 Classic 400s.
AS has 1455 pilots, 106 are on furlough and 2006 is their most junior pilot (we have 1165 pilots junior to our most senior 2007 hire).
AS pays a 75 hour guarantee and split their long call and short call with the later making 79 hours.
AS FO starting salary is $46/hr, 12 year CA salary is $172/hr.
Pan Am brought over A-310's and 727's. They determined how many captains DAL had on aircraft larger than the A-310, (600 or so, IIRC) and then started integrating the Pan Am pilots in a ratioed basis at that point. There were fences which were not very long in duration.
But the Pan Am pilot group that came over was quite old and the vast majority of them were gone within ten years or so.
I doubt the SLI proposed by the SWA pilots with regard to Frontier would be acceptable to the AS pilots....
12-31-2009, 07:07 AM
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12-31-2009, 07:07 AM
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12-31-2009, 07:10 AM
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I basically posted what he stated.
Just reposting what I read. I know nothing.......
Just reposting what I read. I know nothing.......
12-31-2009, 07:16 AM
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I think the methodology would be similar to the Pan Am/DAL SLI.
Pan Am brought over A-310's and 727's. They determined how many captains DAL had on aircraft larger than the A-310, (600 or so, IIRC) and then started integrating the Pan Am pilots in a ratioed basis at that point. There were fences which were not very long in duration.
But the Pan Am pilot group that came over was quite old and the vast majority of them were gone within ten years or so.
I doubt the SLI proposed by the SWA pilots with regard to Frontier would be acceptable to the AS pilots....
Pan Am brought over A-310's and 727's. They determined how many captains DAL had on aircraft larger than the A-310, (600 or so, IIRC) and then started integrating the Pan Am pilots in a ratioed basis at that point. There were fences which were not very long in duration.
But the Pan Am pilot group that came over was quite old and the vast majority of them were gone within ten years or so.
I doubt the SLI proposed by the SWA pilots with regard to Frontier would be acceptable to the AS pilots....
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