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12-29-2009, 08:59 AM
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Why do you assume that improved commuting has to be contractual and bought and paid for? Both JS booking windows and Call in Honest can be improvements that improve the Co, bottom line AND pilot QOL, the proverbial win-win.
Bad old NWA where we fought over everything with management came to that conclusion and we had better JS as policy and Call-In Honest as a side letter (?) with neither costing us anything somewhere else.
With as often as I have heard that we work better with DAL management than the old NWA, you think this would be an easy fix, however reading the comments here I think the attitude of some of our own pilots is a bigger impediment to improved commuting policies than management.
Bad old NWA where we fought over everything with management came to that conclusion and we had better JS as policy and Call-In Honest as a side letter (?) with neither costing us anything somewhere else.
With as often as I have heard that we work better with DAL management than the old NWA, you think this would be an easy fix, however reading the comments here I think the attitude of some of our own pilots is a bigger impediment to improved commuting policies than management.
12-29-2009, 08:59 AM
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And there it is... Kool-aid infused BS... nothing more. Sorry, he can justify it like anything else just by saying "How much will it cost?" Ya know what... applying seniority parameters to the reserve system will no more bankrupt this company than will giving us all the $100/month kumbaya bonus. LUV and Jblu do not "clean our clocks" because of the reserve system. That is utterly ridiculuous. We are a different animal than either of those 2 companies, and for alpa to pretend otherwise is disingenuous at best. Sure, we both fly airplanes, but that is where it ends. It is not OUR responsibility to pay for things. We are seniority based employees, and for the reason of "Son... you'll be senior some day".. it has been, and apparently will be continue to be allowed to abbrogate seniority to placate somebody's theory that seniority application to a reserve system will bankrupt the company. To quote Tim Bohan.. "Same as it ever was".
Edit addition: My complaint isn't necessarily with the whole reserve system either alfa... What burns my bagels is that retarded days of availability and how it relates to "yellowslipping" open time trips. THAT abrogates seniority big time, and is totally unsat.
Edit addition: My complaint isn't necessarily with the whole reserve system either alfa... What burns my bagels is that retarded days of availability and how it relates to "yellowslipping" open time trips. THAT abrogates seniority big time, and is totally unsat.
If you don't think pilot efficiency affects our total cost structure in relation to other airlines then you have no grasp on reality. I can guarantee you that any executive or any accountant or any union leader in any union you can find would agree with my stance. If we are inefficient in comparison to our competitors (surely you think that Jet Blue, Southwest, and Airtran are our competitors because they sure do) then that inefficiency will have to be made up with lower wages and/or benefits or the company will have to find a way to increase revenue above the competitors. That is not Kool-Aid my friend, that is basic economics.
I think I was also quite clear that I have no objection to improving the reserve system. I am on short call as I type. The one thing about reserve is that is not just junior pilots. We have very senior pilots sitting reserve on the highest paying equipment. So your attempt at class warfare and junior self pity just doesn't ring true.
What I have an objection to is self-delusion that is presented as a belief that you can improve your own little beefs with the contract for nothing. It has a cost, everything has a cost. I also said that the pilots and the MEC will have to decide where they want to put money in our contract when we get a better contract. Maybe it will be reserve, maybe it will be vacation, maybe pay, maybe any of the other items that exist in the contract. Maybe you will get your way and maybe you won't, that's how it works.
As for the days of availability buckets, that is basically universal in the industry. Getting rid of that will be very expensive. Obviously, if you let the guy with 4 days of availability take the two day trip, then how do you get the guy with 2 days of availability to take the four day trip without paying overtime? Sure it stinks, I have been hit by this many times.
You might have more success if you avoid the pointless personal attacks and really think about what you are saying. Your post makes no sense.
12-29-2009, 09:04 AM
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12-29-2009, 09:06 AM
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Anyone want to guess what the most surprising result of this AE might be?
My uninformed, first AE, intuition thinks MSP M88A will go pretty junior. Like 10,000. Maybe even 10,500.
Yes, I'm bored.
My uninformed, first AE, intuition thinks MSP M88A will go pretty junior. Like 10,000. Maybe even 10,500.
Yes, I'm bored.
12-29-2009, 09:07 AM
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I'm not Denny but there's the Delta MEC Scheduling Alert 09-04 dated December 1, 2009 that's a Vacation Bidding Guide.
12-29-2009, 09:09 AM
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12-29-2009, 09:09 AM
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12-29-2009, 09:11 AM
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I bet 12,000. MSP M88 are new positions in addition to the current A320 FO positions. Additionally, MSP is a bit further west than the other bases making for a longer commute, I'm guessing junior.
12-29-2009, 09:13 AM
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They are planning on posting the results on the first. I think that is fair. We can wait.
They have been running results through the whole thing to see how big the bid is. They will run it a few times with a few different things taken out. The will try to minimize the training footprint as much as possible.
They have been running results through the whole thing to see how big the bid is. They will run it a few times with a few different things taken out. The will try to minimize the training footprint as much as possible.
12-29-2009, 09:13 AM
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Agree 100% The coat is great at a Dining In, useless on a layover and even less useful on an 0500 walkaround, winds gusting,-16C. And no, I don't think I should carry a third coat, Delta approved, for just my walkarounds, to and from the crew van or hotel bus. That would make for dragging 3 coats along in the winter. FYI, I don't spend much time in the hotels, even when it's horrible out.
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