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12-28-2009, 07:45 PM

#22391

satchip

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Originally Posted by alfaromeo

Some consider commuting to reserve a choice, some consider it a necessity. That is an issue the pilot group will have to answer in the next contract.

One no/low cost improvement that would greatly enhance commuter's QOL is no short call on the first day. 18 days of reserve turns into 20-22 when you add the commute to 0500 short call for the first day of reserve. Maybe even make it optional for the guys who live in base.

12-28-2009, 07:50 PM

#22392

newKnow

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Originally Posted by satchip

Ooo wee. Let me go change my AE bid!

12-28-2009, 08:01 PM

#22393

johnso29

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

When he sings "When a Man Loves a Woman," it just doesn't get any better than that.

I celebrate the man's entire collection.

Which one is your favorite?

Oh I don't know. I guess I pretty much like em all.

12-28-2009, 08:10 PM

#22394

80ktsClamp

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Originally Posted by newKnow

Ooo wee. Let me go change my AE bid!

Now you know what I mean with my signature.

That being said... I've been mostly bored out of my mind this year sitting reserve.

12-28-2009, 08:11 PM

#22395

80ktsClamp

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Originally Posted by johnso29

Which one is your favorite?

Oh I don't know. I guess I pretty much like em all.

"What would you say you do here at Delta?"

"I have people skills! I call the flight attendants... and tell them to tell the gate agent to...."

12-28-2009, 08:50 PM

#22396

johnso29

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

"What would you say you do here at Delta?"

"I have people skills! I call the flight attendants... and tell them to tell the gate agent to...."

Can't you understand that!?? What the he** is the matter with you people?!!!

12-28-2009, 09:02 PM

#22397

Cycle Pilot

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Originally Posted by satchip

Hell will freeze over before scheduling would agree to something like that. They use SC's to get and keep crews (especially commuters) in position. You can have a RAW score of 120 and have three people in front of you with a RAW score of 0, but if it's your first day of reserve, you'll be SC'd... guaranteed! I don't think I've ever not been SC'd on my first day of reserve. What also sucks is that when you're on short call, those with Yellow Slips (15 RAW reduction) get called before you for trips that report less than 12 hours. Oh well... it's the way our contract is written. I'm just learning to deal with it and hope for something better in 2012.

12-29-2009, 01:28 AM

#22398

Fly4hire

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Originally Posted by alfaromeo

In the next contract, we expect to add more money into our total compensation, but eventually that increase in total compensation will be a finite amount. If we spend a bunch of that money on making reserve commuter friendly, then there will be a lot less to add to pay rates, vacation, retirement or anything else you want. That is where the pilot group and by proxy the MEC will have to make hard choices.

Why do you assume that improved commuting has to be contractual and bought and paid for? Both JS booking windows and Call in Honest can be improvements that improve the Co, bottom line AND pilot QOL, the proverbial win-win.

Bad old NWA where we fought over everything with management came to that conclusion and we had better JS as policy and Call-In Honest as a side letter (?) with neither costing us anything somewhere else.

With as often as I have heard that we work better with DAL management than the old NWA, you think this would be an easy fix, however reading the comments here I think the attitude of some of our own pilots is a bigger impediment to improved commuting policies than management.

12-29-2009, 03:45 AM

#22399

NWA320pilot

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Originally Posted by iceman49

Alpha, Interesting points but...

Some consider commuting to reserve a choice, some consider it a necessity. That is an issue the pilot group will have to answer in the next contract.

What would you consider it when they close your base, a choice or necessity?

I believe commuting will become a necessity for many after this AE. Some may say it is still by choice but there are circumstances that could and do make it a necessity rather than a choice.......

12-29-2009, 03:52 AM

#22400

Pineapple Guy

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Originally Posted by NWA320pilot

I believe commuting will become a necessity for many after this AE. Some may say it is still by choice but there are circumstances that could and do make it a necessity rather than a choice.......

And some may say it is a necessity but their circumstances show its really a choice. We've never had a pilot base in PHX, TPA, Madison, WI, CHS, JAX, PNS, MLB, etc. but I know pilots who commute from all those and many more, and have done so for 10+ years.

I'm just sayin.....