Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
12-28-2009, 03:18 PM
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12-28-2009, 03:28 PM
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I feel your pain. If I go to my 5th displacement choice, I will be making the same pay as I did in 1997. Wonderful.
Meyer still sucks.
12-28-2009, 03:32 PM
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RAW = Really Awful Way (to schedule reserves).
There is a little witchdoctor down in hooterville that assigns short calls and trips to those sitting reserve.
-Bones Never Lie
But seriously, you can reduce your RAW score, but that will only guarantee you a 48 hour layover in DKR or POS.
There is a little witchdoctor down in hooterville that assigns short calls and trips to those sitting reserve.
-Bones Never Lie
But seriously, you can reduce your RAW score, but that will only guarantee you a 48 hour layover in DKR or POS.
12-28-2009, 03:34 PM
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Can someone tell me if white slip is paid over and above 70 hours on a reserve line? I'm pretty sure I know green slip is but not sure about white..
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12-28-2009, 03:38 PM
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Not the whole story... First they look at a Days of Availability Grouping and then look at RAW score within that list. I got called out for a two-day trip with three days of reserve availability and a RAW score of 114 (now 138!). I was the lowest of the guys on the list scheduling looked at. They didn't look at the list of guys with four days of reserve availability that had scores of 85. There must be a better way...
There is. It's called schedule by seniority regardless of this days of availability/CROC/RAW/ chicken bone throwing garbage. The acronyms alone that are involved are disgusting. Rube Goldberg is laughing his ass off wherever he is at how simple his contraptions look by comparison. Why is dalpa so bent on allowing the abrogation of seniority to satisfy a reserve system that the company wants? No sir. this system is wrong.. always has been. We need to go back to a SENIORITY based reserve system... yesterday.
rant over.
12-28-2009, 03:40 PM
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12-28-2009, 03:55 PM
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12-28-2009, 04:02 PM
veut gagner à la loterie
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12-28-2009, 04:04 PM
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12-28-2009, 04:37 PM
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From what I could find out, they cannot give you two SCs in a row. Here's why:
The contract requires 10 hours of rest prior to a Short Call. Section 23.S.5.D:
A long call pilot...
d. can be converted to short call no earlier than ten hours from the first attempted contact by Crew Scheduling and will be released from duty during the ten hours immediately preceding the start of his short call period.
Second, a SC pilot cannot be on SC for more than:
a) 12 hours in domestic categories, or b) 24 hours in international categories.
As I see it, by putting you on SC for 2 days in a row, it's 48 hours.
Finally - Scrappy over in the scheduling forum of the ALPA site said,
"You cannot have true back to back SC on international because the PWA requires 10 hours rest prior to the start of SC. What they can do, but are not required to do, is truncate the first SC to provide for the 10 hour break between the two and then they are basically back to back."
in a response to someone else.
I'd either call scheduling and discuss it with them or ALPA.
Added: It could be they are planning on releasing you by 0500 to give you ten hours off before starting SC at 1500 on the 29th.
The contract requires 10 hours of rest prior to a Short Call. Section 23.S.5.D:
A long call pilot...
d. can be converted to short call no earlier than ten hours from the first attempted contact by Crew Scheduling and will be released from duty during the ten hours immediately preceding the start of his short call period.
Second, a SC pilot cannot be on SC for more than:
a) 12 hours in domestic categories, or b) 24 hours in international categories.
As I see it, by putting you on SC for 2 days in a row, it's 48 hours.
Finally - Scrappy over in the scheduling forum of the ALPA site said,
"You cannot have true back to back SC on international because the PWA requires 10 hours rest prior to the start of SC. What they can do, but are not required to do, is truncate the first SC to provide for the 10 hour break between the two and then they are basically back to back."
in a response to someone else.
I'd either call scheduling and discuss it with them or ALPA.
Added: It could be they are planning on releasing you by 0500 to give you ten hours off before starting SC at 1500 on the 29th.
I'd bid around ATL M88 B tonight if you guys get a chance.
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