Sink r8

Drinking and posting?

I didn't know NW had 3rd year F/O's, and certainly no 3rd year F/O's that didn't enjoy considerable improvement in their conditions (as in: not being 3rd year F/O's any longer). That doesn't mean you should be so overcome with gratitude as to accept anything, but the "torches and pitchforks" stuff seems a little... over the top. And a little tired, as well.

If you want to make things better, and you want to run for office, good for you. We don't need idle talk in representatives: we need effectiveness, intelligence, imagination, and a dose of pragmatism. Start by displaying some. Don't start with incoherent nonsense, and embarassing yourself with populist rethoric.

We don't have practice AE's because... we don't. Over 87% of you voted for a contract without it.

We do have out of base WS. It's in the contract that way.

I don't like the 24-hr international shortcall either. For better or for worse, it's in the contract that way. I'm all for improving it, but we have no mechanism for that just yet, and the RLA doesn't recognize torches and pitchforks.

There, now my rant's over.

Bucking Bar

After all the green slips this month, at least we can afford one of them chrome plated torches and pitchforks with the cherry wood handles they sell down at Restoration Hardware.

Never fails, always get a bunch of green slips right before displacement. Ironic 'eh?

Dirtdiver

1) Agree on a practice bid.

2) You can white slip out of base, but only the day prior. It's to keep the base manning reasonable. Half the NY base lives closer, if not in ATL.

3) I think you're confusing swaps with white slips on the 48 hour lockout. If you put something like 30 minutes in the option "min time to report" they will call you for a "how soon can you get here" W/S.

Superpilot92

FWIW, NWA does have 3rd year FO's, secondly, you do know that he's a DAL FO right?

bigdaddie

Welcome to Delta Int'l reserve!

Sink r8

Thanks for the info.

1) OK on the NW 3rd year F/O's. Thanks.

2) His post makes even less sense if he's South. He was hired under this contract. It's hard to justify going for pitchworks when you were raised by the ogre.

LOBO

Excerpt from "When Scheduling Calls" Ver 1 2009

"Immediately upon completing a short-call period, a reserve pilot reverts to long-call status. There is no automatic or routinely required rest following a short-call period."

Yeah that pretty much sucks.

But, the way I read it if you are on continuous short call they can not assign you a domestic trip during the second day. (First day plus 16hrs).

Anyone else have thoughts on that.

I really don't mind the 24 hour short calls for the ER category. I know after 16 hrs I'm not doing anything domestic and if I have a 1500 report all except two flight leave after that time. But, when you get called for a int'l trip at 0000 and you still have to go another 8 hours at least before you get to the other side of the pond. (That's when I start cursing our int'l reserve rules)

satchip

I understand that part but ending one short call period and immediately beginning another seems to m that the initial period is lasting 48 hours. That is a violation of the contract.

24 hours kinda blows but that is what it was when I got here so no complaints.

iaflyer

From what I could find out, they cannot give you two SCs in a row. Here's why:

The contract requires 10 hours of rest prior to a Short Call. Section 23.S.5.D:

A long call pilot...
d. can be converted to short call no earlier than ten hours from the first attempted contact by Crew Scheduling and will be released from duty during the ten hours immediately preceding the start of his short call period.

Second, a SC pilot cannot be on SC for more than:

a) 12 hours in domestic categories, or b) 24 hours in international categories.

As I see it, by putting you on SC for 2 days in a row, it's 48 hours.

Finally - Scrappy over in the scheduling forum of the ALPA site said,

"You cannot have true back to back SC on international because the PWA requires 10 hours rest prior to the start of SC. What they can do, but are not required to do, is truncate the first SC to provide for the 10 hour break between the two and then they are basically back to back."

in a response to someone else.

I'd either call scheduling and discuss it with them or ALPA.

Added: It could be they are planning on releasing you by 0500 to give you ten hours off before starting SC at 1500 on the 29th.

LOBO