Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
12-23-2009, 03:40 AM
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12-23-2009, 04:11 AM
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12-23-2009, 04:22 AM
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I knew that sarcastic post would get pineapple guy out.
12-23-2009, 04:28 AM
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OK guys, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Sorry, I've lost my sense of humor. But I've seen an awful lot of MY contractual benefits negotiated away over the years because a small percentage of guys abuse the system, and I'm really tired of that.
When guys then come on here and openly admit it, my brain tilts.
Merry Christmas to all; guess I need to take a break from this place too....
When guys then come on here and openly admit it, my brain tilts.
Merry Christmas to all; guess I need to take a break from this place too....
12-23-2009, 04:48 AM
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Guys,
Let me start off by saying that I have read When Scheduling Calls and have attempted to follow the PWA about this topic, but I was wondering I should do.
Situation: I have a 4-day rotation departing on Christmas day which reports around 15:00. I just checked and it appears that there is an FO OE with the LCA I'm on the rotation with.
I'd really love to be kicked off the rotation and stay home on Christmas day rather than commuting all the way to base and then getting kicked off. I know that I am subject to recovery flying (which sucks) but I don't see anything in open time reporting AFTER my scheduled report on Xmas day. What I'm wondering is how I should approach this. Should I contact the LCA and get kicked off now (if he concurs) or wait until closer to report??
Crew Scheds can put me on anything that reports no earlier than my scheduled rotation but I get lost in the PWA when it talks about recovery flying assigned more than 24 hours prior to my scheduled report sends me to a section of the PWA etc. I was wondering what happens if I get removed by the LCA within 12 hours of my scheduled report before I commute. WSC makes me think I cannot be given recovery flying in that case: "The Company must attempt to notify him of his recovery flying at least 12 hours prior to his original report. If he has not been assigned recovery flying by that time, he has no further recovery obligation."
Another question: Why do we allow the company to get a "free" body to cover a trip due to OE. It seems to me that if you get kicked off because of an OE, your seat is covered and the company was going to have to pay the OE guy anyway, so why should we be subject to a crappy trip which they couldn't cover and you didn't bid for? Seems like you should be paid and sent home. Shouldn't it just be the cost of doing business (training)?
Thanks in advance...Philly
Let me start off by saying that I have read When Scheduling Calls and have attempted to follow the PWA about this topic, but I was wondering I should do.
Situation: I have a 4-day rotation departing on Christmas day which reports around 15:00. I just checked and it appears that there is an FO OE with the LCA I'm on the rotation with.
I'd really love to be kicked off the rotation and stay home on Christmas day rather than commuting all the way to base and then getting kicked off. I know that I am subject to recovery flying (which sucks) but I don't see anything in open time reporting AFTER my scheduled report on Xmas day. What I'm wondering is how I should approach this. Should I contact the LCA and get kicked off now (if he concurs) or wait until closer to report??
Crew Scheds can put me on anything that reports no earlier than my scheduled rotation but I get lost in the PWA when it talks about recovery flying assigned more than 24 hours prior to my scheduled report sends me to a section of the PWA etc. I was wondering what happens if I get removed by the LCA within 12 hours of my scheduled report before I commute. WSC makes me think I cannot be given recovery flying in that case: "The Company must attempt to notify him of his recovery flying at least 12 hours prior to his original report. If he has not been assigned recovery flying by that time, he has no further recovery obligation."
I know it says I can be assigned any trip as long as it is after my original report and has to end within 4 hours of original release not to exceed the same calendar day. But can they still do it within 12 of my original report? Seems like they could since they would just be finding out about my removal. Does anyone have some insight/experience with this? I think this might be the situation where you have to be "promptly available" for assignment for x hours after scheduled report etc (ex post facto reserve pilot).
Another question: Why do we allow the company to get a "free" body to cover a trip due to OE. It seems to me that if you get kicked off because of an OE, your seat is covered and the company was going to have to pay the OE guy anyway, so why should we be subject to a crappy trip which they couldn't cover and you didn't bid for? Seems like you should be paid and sent home. Shouldn't it just be the cost of doing business (training)?
Thanks in advance...Philly
23K recovery blows, it's been covered thoroughly on the DALPA site and it's a unanimous choice on the list of things that need fixin'.
In your situation, I would look up the LCA and give him a call. He doesn't know if you're a commuter or local, and when he releases you determines
your chances of getting nailed. Release you early so you don't have to commute, schedulers have a better chance of fitting you for something. Release you later, they may not be able to use you.
Having said all that, I seem to remember they can't release you too early, in case either the LCA or OE guy sicks out.
Call the LCA. He knows the release rules and will probably do what he can to help you.
12-23-2009, 04:58 AM
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OK guys, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Sorry, I've lost my sense of humor. But I've seen an awful lot of MY contractual benefits negotiated away over the years because a small percentage of guys abuse the system, and I'm really tired of that.
When guys then come on here and openly admit it, my brain tilts.
Merry Christmas to all; guess I need to take a break from this place too....
When guys then come on here and openly admit it, my brain tilts.
Merry Christmas to all; guess I need to take a break from this place too....
) Seriously I think as legit a problem as the abusers are, so is a management that wants to use a blunt instrument for a very small problem, and us accepting it and turning our wrath on the few individuals involved rather than the endemic problem of any excuse possible being used further justification for cost saving policies.
12-23-2009, 05:21 AM
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I think the ALPA offices are closed, either way.....Philly check your PM's
12-23-2009, 05:30 AM
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Guys,
Let me start off by saying that I have read When Scheduling Calls and have attempted to follow the PWA about this topic, but I was wondering I should do.
Situation: I have a 4-day rotation departing on Christmas day which reports around 15:00. I just checked and it appears that there is an FO OE with the LCA I'm on the rotation with.
I'd really love to be kicked off the rotation and stay home on Christmas day rather than commuting all the way to base and then getting kicked off. I know that I am subject to recovery flying (which sucks) but I don't see anything in open time reporting AFTER my scheduled report on Xmas day. What I'm wondering is how I should approach this. Should I contact the LCA and get kicked off now (if he concurs) or wait until closer to report??
Crew Scheds can put me on anything that reports no earlier than my scheduled rotation but I get lost in the PWA when it talks about recovery flying assigned more than 24 hours prior to my scheduled report sends me to a section of the PWA etc. I was wondering what happens if I get removed by the LCA within 12 hours of my scheduled report before I commute. WSC makes me think I cannot be given recovery flying in that case: "The Company must attempt to notify him of his recovery flying at least 12 hours prior to his original report. If he has not been assigned recovery flying by that time, he has no further recovery obligation."
Another question: Why do we allow the company to get a "free" body to cover a trip due to OE. It seems to me that if you get kicked off because of an OE, your seat is covered and the company was going to have to pay the OE guy anyway, so why should we be subject to a crappy trip which they couldn't cover and you didn't bid for? Seems like you should be paid and sent home. Shouldn't it just be the cost of doing business (training)?
Thanks in advance...Philly
Let me start off by saying that I have read When Scheduling Calls and have attempted to follow the PWA about this topic, but I was wondering I should do.
Situation: I have a 4-day rotation departing on Christmas day which reports around 15:00. I just checked and it appears that there is an FO OE with the LCA I'm on the rotation with.
I'd really love to be kicked off the rotation and stay home on Christmas day rather than commuting all the way to base and then getting kicked off. I know that I am subject to recovery flying (which sucks) but I don't see anything in open time reporting AFTER my scheduled report on Xmas day. What I'm wondering is how I should approach this. Should I contact the LCA and get kicked off now (if he concurs) or wait until closer to report??
Crew Scheds can put me on anything that reports no earlier than my scheduled rotation but I get lost in the PWA when it talks about recovery flying assigned more than 24 hours prior to my scheduled report sends me to a section of the PWA etc. I was wondering what happens if I get removed by the LCA within 12 hours of my scheduled report before I commute. WSC makes me think I cannot be given recovery flying in that case: "The Company must attempt to notify him of his recovery flying at least 12 hours prior to his original report. If he has not been assigned recovery flying by that time, he has no further recovery obligation."
I know it says I can be assigned any trip as long as it is after my original report and has to end within 4 hours of original release not to exceed the same calendar day. But can they still do it within 12 of my original report? Seems like they could since they would just be finding out about my removal. Does anyone have some insight/experience with this? I think this might be the situation where you have to be "promptly available" for assignment for x hours after scheduled report etc (ex post facto reserve pilot).
Another question: Why do we allow the company to get a "free" body to cover a trip due to OE. It seems to me that if you get kicked off because of an OE, your seat is covered and the company was going to have to pay the OE guy anyway, so why should we be subject to a crappy trip which they couldn't cover and you didn't bid for? Seems like you should be paid and sent home. Shouldn't it just be the cost of doing business (training)?
Thanks in advance...Philly
My advice is for you to plan on commuting in as scheduled until you hear otherwise from scheduling or LCP.
Merry Christmas
12-23-2009, 05:36 AM
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I have known about a IOE for weeks and at the last minute the LCA sicks out and you go fly your trip.
12-23-2009, 05:38 AM
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OK guys, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Sorry, I've lost my sense of humor. But I've seen an awful lot of MY contractual benefits negotiated away over the years because a small percentage of guys abuse the system, and I'm really tired of that.
When guys then come on here and openly admit it, my brain tilts.
Merry Christmas to all; guess I need to take a break from this place too....
When guys then come on here and openly admit it, my brain tilts.
Merry Christmas to all; guess I need to take a break from this place too....
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