Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
12-19-2009, 06:58 AM
Underboob King
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1) Super, just keep telling Satch 23-22. 23-22. 23-22. As in the final score of Bear Bryants last Iron Bowl: Auburn 23, Alabama 22. 
2) I believe ACL is right, MEM 320 B. It'd make sense, a junior pilot in NYC ER can't be MD'd and then be reinstated to a more senior position in ATL 7ER.
Section 22 F
9. Normally, pilots who hold:
a. VDs will be scheduled for training in seniority order prior to pilots who hold MDs from the same posting and from the same category.
b. MDs from the same posting and from the same category will be scheduled for training in inverse seniority order.
10. A pilot will receive at least 30 days advance notice from the Company of the conversion date of his displacement.
11. The Company will not rescind a displacement within the 30 days before its conversion date without the consent of the pilot.
12. A pilot who holds an MD will, without regard to the standing bids of senior pilots, be reinstated to the category from which he was displaced if:
a. a vacancy is posted in such category and the earliest conversion date stated in the posting is within the 180 day period following the conversion date of his MD,
b. his standing bid indicates a request for such reinstatement, and
c. such vacancy has not been filled by reinstatement of a pilot senior to him who was also awarded an MD from such category.
Note: A former NWA pilot who held return or reinstatement rights pursuant to the provisions of Section 24.E.10. of the NWA CBA on the day prior to October 30, 2008 will retain these rights subject to the following provisions:... Section 22 F...
Definitions from Section 22:
7. “Category” means the combination of a pilot’s position and base.
2) I believe ACL is right, MEM 320 B. It'd make sense, a junior pilot in NYC ER can't be MD'd and then be reinstated to a more senior position in ATL 7ER.
Section 22 F
9. Normally, pilots who hold:
a. VDs will be scheduled for training in seniority order prior to pilots who hold MDs from the same posting and from the same category.
b. MDs from the same posting and from the same category will be scheduled for training in inverse seniority order.
10. A pilot will receive at least 30 days advance notice from the Company of the conversion date of his displacement.
11. The Company will not rescind a displacement within the 30 days before its conversion date without the consent of the pilot.
12. A pilot who holds an MD will, without regard to the standing bids of senior pilots, be reinstated to the category from which he was displaced if:
a. a vacancy is posted in such category and the earliest conversion date stated in the posting is within the 180 day period following the conversion date of his MD,
b. his standing bid indicates a request for such reinstatement, and
c. such vacancy has not been filled by reinstatement of a pilot senior to him who was also awarded an MD from such category.
Note: A former NWA pilot who held return or reinstatement rights pursuant to the provisions of Section 24.E.10. of the NWA CBA on the day prior to October 30, 2008 will retain these rights subject to the following provisions:... Section 22 F...
Definitions from Section 22:
7. “Category” means the combination of a pilot’s position and base.
I bid all of them so I could really care less which base it is but some are more commutable than others and I try to stay in mem only cause it's the shortest commute for me not necessarily the easiest though (all rjs)(except middle of the night Fedex)also, define category? Is that base specific or just bus category? I've always been told reinstatement rights are aircraft specific. We'll see soon enough
12-19-2009, 07:12 AM
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Super
Hi Super,
The FedEx boys have plenty of mid-afternoon flights in/out of the planet Mempho..........but, try John Wills for the best ribs in town...
I'm just sayin'
The FedEx boys have plenty of mid-afternoon flights in/out of the planet Mempho..........but, try John Wills for the best ribs in town...
I'm just sayin'
12-19-2009, 07:31 AM
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The category is the aircraft/base. Your recall rights are aircraft/base specific. If you were displaced from MEM 320B you will be recalled to MEM 320B if available.
Last edited by Hawaii50; 12-19-2009 at 07:57 AM.
12-19-2009, 07:33 AM
veut gagner ŕ la loterie
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What that section means is you are on an MD now and since it has been less than 180 days since you were converted to DC9 you have reinstatement rights to MEM320B out of seniority. There are vacancies so you get to bid MEM320B ahead of senior pilots trying to AE in it so thats good for you unless of course all of the slots are taken by pilots who are also on a MEM320B MD with you. As to DTW320B and MSP320 and SLC320B require you to put an AE in for it along with Bar. You don't have that reinstatement right to those categories as you are only MD'd out of your one category.
Category is position and base (i.e. 320 B and MEM).
Thats my understanding from section 22.
Category is position and base (i.e. 320 B and MEM).
Thats my understanding from section 22.
12-19-2009, 07:34 AM
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I don't think we can describe the motivation of the North 330 and 744 B's properly to the South guys. But, I'll try again. For the most part, what I take away from conversations with them.
744B's-
Love the airplane and love the trips. They love the concept of having one commute per month. When the 757 started going to Europe and Asia, I thought a lot of them would jump on it. Nope. Still too much work. Whether its the possibility of more than one commute, the possibly having to fly more than one leg in a day, having to takeoff and land in the same leg, or some combination of the above, its too much work.
330B's (In DTW)
I think they love the automation of the airplane (they don't have to do position reports), but above that they love Europe. Rome, Amsterdam, Frankfurt, ect. They have no real desire to go to the -400B. The DC-9 and probably the -88 are out of the question. A few years ago, I ran into a guy in AMS who doing his last trip as a 330B because he was about to go to 320A, and I thought he was going to cry.
I don't know what motivates the 330B's in MSP and SEA, because I never see them. I've got two classmates who are SEA330B's. One commutes there because he lives in HNL and the base closed, so I'm sure he's motivated by the shortest commute. The other lives in SEA, so I'm sure he motivated by no commute.
Both of these categories B positions, for me, are the ones that are the biggest wildcard with these first couple of AE's. Will they stay on the -400 at all cost? Will the East Coast commuters go for NYC? Will the Europe lovers go for the 7ER because of more Europe?
I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. They have always been a little unpredictable for a simple guy like myself (Pay and non-French),. We will see what they do.
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12-19-2009, 08:04 AM
Underboob King
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Well there's a couple slots open so thats a good start and i suspect a few of our east coast and florida commuters to bid out of MEM. If not, it may be time to change bases and switch to a longer but easier commute. We'll see
12-19-2009, 08:23 AM
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Heyas,
Anyone know if the actual printed contracts ever became available?
PDF is fine if you are doing a quick search, but sometime you needs to really get into a section, and it's a PITA.
Nu
Anyone know if the actual printed contracts ever became available?
PDF is fine if you are doing a quick search, but sometime you needs to really get into a section, and it's a PITA.
Nu
12-19-2009, 08:33 AM
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You going to the 73N?
This bid puts the MD in the MD88.
Last edited by Bucking Bar; 12-19-2009 at 09:35 AM.
12-19-2009, 08:38 AM
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12-19-2009, 08:40 AM
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They're in the Chief Pilots office. You have to sign for it but it's yours to keep.
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