acl65pilot

To keep everyone happy and make way for "other" fleets.

Ad Lib

ACL:

So why not just move the CVG MD88 time to Atlanta and staff the "others" from CVG and keep the bubbas happy?

Bubbas are people too.

Please clarify. If you mean the ATL rotations will continue, this could be the best displacement ever - - - per diem at home ~ or ~ hotel sex three nights a week.

acl65pilot

Simple. The CVG base has lots of bodies that live there. They did not want to just displace them without knowing the long term plans for CVG. CVG does a ton of ATL and NYC flying. If you take their flying away there was not any flying to backfill it with. They tired to give them some West stuff with the 90 conversion of the base, but with only 29 flights a day out of CVG, they are basically just flying out of other hubs.

IMO this move was to keep those ppl in place until they came up with the final plan for CVG.

As bad as ATL looks on paper, there are lots of guys that would love other options. As they add more time it in the next bid, ATL will be just fine. There are just limits to what can be done. Sucks but it is what it is.

dragon

The MD-90 thing is probably driving that. They don't want to train all of ATL on it so they keep CVG. Most of my reserve call outs when I was in CVG involved the -90.

hiredgun

If you're upset it's affecting you, that's a choice, like wearing long sleeves to work.

Ad Lib

What kind of time will be coming back? Only the 330, or something more in keeping with reality for junior folks?

I disagree that it simply "sucks." The pilots should have a voice in this. Particularly when even a casual glance through the pairings clearly demonstrates that these rotations could just as easily be built through Atlanta (and have been for many years). Call in the kids at Wilson polling, lets talk about commuting.

... and no, I did not vote for it. Why did anybody vote for it? We should have never given up NWA's commuting policies that worked for NWA (and now Delta).

newKnow

My friend, If you ever hear the words, "taxi to 21 Left via the Blue 8," be alert, because BOB is in the building.

A SWA pilot would meet BOB if he ever heard that clearance. (But, I suspect he would refuse it.)

Ad Lib

RINFLOL . . . . . . . .

acl65pilot

See, the problem is that what we have is what we get to deal with with these bids. Ya know the saying, " A contract is a contract?" Well it is the case of this and the next 10 bids or so. The company can move what they want where they want and when they want. Why? Well we allowed the language to be ratified this way. If you do not like it, then do not vote for anything that will keep it. Simple as that.

With the trip paring et al, we do not control who flies what and from what base. It is all legal as long as it follows the trip and duty rigs.

To answer you question about CVG. Would it make more sense to shrink the CVg base only to grow it again with the same jet, pay for all of the moves or shrink atl by not having the ATL pilots do the NYC etc flying? See ATL will grow but it will not be with the same type of flying. It makes sense to cut the categories not so that when we do grow it will be new fleets. To further add to it, it is a stratigic move. If a guy gets displaced out of CVG he will probably give up and move, where as an ATL guy that gets MDed will sit tight not move and wait to rebid it. That calculation saves the company millions.

I would like to see more ATL flying flow by ATL pilots, but there is not one thing contractually that we can do about the way the trips are constructed and what base flies them. It is DAL flying being flown by DAL pilots. We should worry about that branded flying that is NOT being flown by us. Bringing that back bring more flying to all bases.

Ad Lib

Excellent deflection, you should be a Rep!

But as a stubborn line pilot, I'll come right back to the fact they could easily staff this flying out of Atlanta and are taking a human cost out of the back sides of Atlanta based pilots for arbitrary reasons. It would be a smarter strategy to continue to build on the excellent employee relations Delta enjoys with its pilots which has resulted in ALPA being a partner with management in executing the Company's business plan.

You've got great binoculars. What do you see on the horizon for new ATL categories, other than the 330 and the 747? The pattern of displacements, then entitlements, is going to make seniority adjustments even more exaggerated and cause more movement.