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Old 12-13-2009, 08:28 AM
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Gotta take joe momma to brunch, so I'll answer Slow and Sailing when I get home.

But, FOR THE RECORD, I've NEVER called in sick because my commute got screwed up. I've got two "failure to commutes" in my file as proof.

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Old 12-13-2009, 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Cogf16
Its not DALPA who needs to drop this "what are we willing to give up for it mentality", thats just the reality of negotiating with the co. (or any entity). We WOULD have to pay for this unless we could show the co. it is a cost neutral or gain, but even then they'll know its important to us and make us pay for it. Take the emotion out of this topic and you have to see that a commute policy will cost us and not benefit the entire pilot group.

A non commuter but a CVG'er who may become one!
Yep, that is the fact, but we need to reverse the trend of the last decade and build upon the JPWA. I like to see higher highs and not lower lows.

As for commuting about 60% North and 50% of the South guys do already. That is about 55% of the group. That will go up, more bases will close and more will open. It comes to a point in ones life where you can not just pick up in go. ATL is senior and many guys live here, because they know they can or could.

As for commuting policies only beneifiting half the list, well the A and B rates only benefit half the list There are just some benefits that we need even though they may not help "ME" It will help "US"
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Old 12-13-2009, 08:36 AM
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Ferd,
You are old guard and in the end the entitlement issue that PG is getting at breaks along generational lines. I think that is where the overall beef seems to be coming from. Probably not this issue alone.
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Old 12-13-2009, 08:37 AM
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Off to earn my living so I may continue my APC habit! Later ya'll....
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Old 12-13-2009, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
We could also book our JS at NWA on-line, and there were a few ways to do it unattended, with 3rd party software, which was AWESOME. Set it up, and it would book it right at noon, then shut the computer off. Not being able to book it online is also going to suck.

Hope this helps...

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Nu,

Talking to the folks on the VRU line, they said in March we will be able to book JS on TravelNet.

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Old 12-13-2009, 09:04 AM
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At least you are commuting ....
Don't make that assumption My discussion of commuting only indicates that it is more advantageous to negotiate a compensation package while still covered by one.

In completely unrelated news several I hear companies are gearing up to hire pilots who have ATL bases. UPS and AirTran among them. I'm not working either of those, but they might provide the antidote for some of us who are unwilling to chase this job around the country. With a $143 an hour and 81 hour reserve guarantee in the second year, it would be easy to jump off to UPS from DL third or fourth year pay.

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Old 12-13-2009, 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Ferd149
But, FOR THE RECORD, I've NEVER called in sick because my commute got screwed up. I've got two "failure to commutes" in my file as proof.

Ferd
Ferd, my hat is off to you. A true man of integrity. Thank you for your honesty.
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Old 12-13-2009, 10:18 AM
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A long time ago, I heard one flight attendant counseling another about a long distance relationship. "Never move for a man" was her advice. Inevitably, when the relationship was over, she would find herself living in a city where she had no ties.

My version of this advice is "Never move for an airline". We are more likely than not to be commuters at some point in our careers..

Previously Houston, Miami, and Cincinnati based, with no ties in any of them.
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Old 12-13-2009, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by CVG767A
My version of this advice is "Never move for an airline". We are more likely than not to be commuters at some point in our careers..

Previously Houston, Miami, and Cincinnati based, with no ties in any of them.
Good point. LGA-IAD-BOS-CVG-IAD-EWR-IAH-LAX-IAH, all in just under 10 years. ZERO ties in any of them. Only ONE of those domicile changes was voluntary.

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In completely unrelated news several I hear companies are gearing up to hire pilots who have ATL bases. UPS and AirTran among them.
UPS has an ATL base? And no, nobody has to answer that question for me. Read the cargo section on whether or not UPS might be hiring.
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Old 12-13-2009, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Scambo, I agree, I was stating that this is the cost the company will come at us with. The NWA policy would probably cost the airline 24,000 seats a year. Two per pilots and only on the way to work.
I would be willing to bet that the actual data is available from NWA regarding how many times scheduling had to positive space a pilot. Heck, I bet that you can even drill down to see it on an individual pilot basis.

The question is can anyone outside of upper management get access to the data?
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