acl65pilot

Simple, FA's can do that, but marketing would then be tied to one jet out of that market and with the DFW or MCO market, they change the size of jet day to day, week to week ,and month to month. There is no way to make that work. It would end up being a DH to a trip, much like CVG is right now....

CVG767A

I couldn't even go to work if I followed this one! (CVG-JFK/LGA). There are a huge number of city pairs where an RJ is the only way. (Actually, there's 1 mainline daily to LGA). Don't assume that there will always be mainline service, even if it's between two hubs.

In fairness to them, though, they've always busted their butts to get all the nonrevs on. Everyone-- gate agents, pilots, rampers-- really do try.

sailingfun

[quote=Ferd149;726236]You can take, what, 50%? away from that for people who don't commute? But, your point is well taken as far as PS is concerned.

The north policy, from what I understand, is seldom used. For example, I've used it only twice in the 6 to 7 years that it's been effect.

Bottom like, why can't someone (jumpseat committee?) at DALPA demonstrate that it's used too much and unsellable or that it's what most of us think.........a stress reliever that's seldom used.



Ferd, You seem to be implying that no effort has been made to get the NWA policy. That is not the least bit true. The problem however is that NWA is not Delta with how and why pilots commute. At NWA most pilots simply did not want to live in DTW or MSP, no offense to those who live there. They scattered all over the country to live where they wanted. At Delta pilots who commute were often forced into that choice by recent base closures. That leads to specific city pairs with very high numbers of pilots who commute. I once had 74 commuters on the 5:30 flight from DFW to ATL. We only got 35 on the flight. The company is not going to bump 40 revenue passengers off the next flight to get the commuters onboard.
The other issue is that the policy at NWA was just that a policy. It was not contractual as the Delta commuter policy is. I understand a attempt was made at NWA to make it contractual but the company refused and wanted the right to end the program at any time. I would like to see the old policy at NWA become contractual at Delta. I would not however trade the contractual protections with the Delta policy for the NWA policy if it is not written into the contract.
The last thing is the flight attendants. The company knows that until the union issue is settled to give the pilots positive space to work would be a AFA wetdream if the flight attendants were not included.
There are lots of considerations in a commuter policy. The bottom line is Delta is not NWA and there are lots of major differences. The current policy does give you full protection from any company action if you can't make it to work so I don't see why you feel a high stress level.
One other thing mentioned to me by a 4th floor guy. There is a very real concern given recent events that a positive space flight could be viewed by the FAA as the start of a pilots duty day. That is the reason right now that you can't get positive space on a DH deviation to work but can get it from work.

CVG767A

We're not going to see the NWA commuting policy until after the flight attendants vote on a union. Our having that policy, while they do not, might tip the scales in favor of unionization. Mgmt is adamantly opposed to that. I think we'll see it, but it'll be a while. We definitely need it.

We had a chief pilot in CVG years ago, who would brief/ welcome aboard pilots that were new to the base. At some point he would look at them over his glasses and say, "If I were trying to commute in, and couldn't get on a flight, I'd be sick about it". There was little abuse of that, and it was a great stress reliever for the commuters.

I'm not sure we have CPs that are advocates for the pilots to that degree anymore, but a tacit acceptance of commuting reality would be a welcome step, rather than the "commuting is a choice" blather you hear from a few ATL guys.

DogWhisperer

Dreat News!!!! DFW will be opening as a base again!!!! After my daughters' spoke with the big man last night, I got a chance to sit on his lap. I asked for DFW to open as a base again and he gave me a wink and a candie cane. As we all know, Santa can do anything so the announcement should be sometime around the 26th or 27th. Too bad I won't be able to hold it, though. Merry early Christmas...time for some more eggnog.....

Superpilot92

I really hope Pineapple Guy isnt one of our ALPA reps!!

acl65pilot

Be careful what you wish for, you may get stuck on the Maddog the rest of your life. On top of that it would be in the right seat. I have heard 767A's state they would bid right seat to not commute.

CVG767A

I would certainly recommend that senior captains, especially those in the top 1500, not commute, especially to New York. Too much stress!

forgot to bid

12th year 88B pay is $102/hr.

FWIW.

scambo1

Chente;
I am absolutely agreeing with you. I look forward to new blood in the LECs. I greatly appreciate the volunteers and the folks that step up to run, but I am really sick of some of the arrogant, I know better than you do on all topics...crap.

My response was to pine guy. Using yours as a context extender, there were just too many pages between posts to get the correct effect.