Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
12-12-2009, 07:52 PM
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SH** I am NYC on the 88...... I commute.... usually I do 2 nights in the crashpad a month! 3 days of SC.... normally I am at home on reserve. I don't know how a regional reserve is better than that!
12-12-2009, 08:02 PM
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Speaking of all about me saturday.............was anything done on the bids today? (It's MY first month under the southie system). NWA worked them on saturdays but not on sunday (don't know if the computer was left to just chug away or not).
Will we start seeing any results on Monday? Wait, or do they all come out together in one batch vs once a category at a time (ie 744B).
Ferd
Will we start seeing any results on Monday? Wait, or do they all come out together in one batch vs once a category at a time (ie 744B).
Ferd
As far as I know they start working the bids right away. They are QC'd by the DALPA PBS guru's and are then released by the Company. The company runs many bids for the same category using different parameters and sends the one they like the best to QCers. Sometimes it gets sent back and rerun again. I've heard it can go back and forth a few times. The capt. bids in a particular base and category will be run before the FO bids to account for FO's that don't want to fly with a particular capt. Generally the capt bids start getting posted about the 14th and for the rest it is a "hit and miss" type release with some categories running up against the deadline. The bids are not "offical" until they are actually posted in DBMS. With that being said, my schedule has never changed from what was posted on the "bid awards" link on the crew resources page.
Hope this helps.
Denny
12-12-2009, 08:03 PM
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Small point, but I think you meant the UPS policy of pos space for everyone would cost 24000 seats per year. The NW policy was if you had 2 backups and still could not get you to work...than they would pos space you over. The DL policy only works when you have lots of reserve...if the economy picks up and the percentage of reserves goes down....makes it much tougher to do the no commuting policy that effectively DL has.
12-12-2009, 08:05 PM
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As to the Open Skies agreement, is it possible that Delta just got everyone to sign off on an agreement that makes the near nothing Haenda slot access worth less for American carriers than having 5th freedom rights in NRT, just ensured U.S.-Japan flying will be done by the Japanese partners of UAL and AMR instead of the other way around and got AMR to pay $1.1B for something they already had?
If that is the case... KICK ASS.
if not, oh well. One can dream.
Just not dream about Kelly McGillis or whatever her name was. shivers.
If that is the case... KICK ASS.
if not, oh well. One can dream.
Just not dream about Kelly McGillis or whatever her name was. shivers.
12-12-2009, 08:05 PM
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Man!! I just had to catchup about 20+ pages from this morning! Saw that post by ACL and, of course, I had to throw in my 2 cents worth!
As far as I know they start working the bids right away. They are QC'd by the DALPA PBS guru's and are then released by the Company. The company runs many bids for the same category using different parameters and sends the one they like the best to QCers. Sometimes it gets sent back and rerun again. I've heard it can go back and forth a few times. The capt. bids in a particular base and category will be run before the FO bids to account for FO's that don't want to fly with a particular capt. Generally the capt bids start getting posted about the 14th and for the rest it is a "hit and miss" type release with some categories running up against the deadline. The bids are not "offical" until they are actually posted in DBMS. With that being said, my schedule has never changed from what was posted on the "bid awards" link on the crew resources page.
Hope this helps.
Denny
As far as I know they start working the bids right away. They are QC'd by the DALPA PBS guru's and are then released by the Company. The company runs many bids for the same category using different parameters and sends the one they like the best to QCers. Sometimes it gets sent back and rerun again. I've heard it can go back and forth a few times. The capt. bids in a particular base and category will be run before the FO bids to account for FO's that don't want to fly with a particular capt. Generally the capt bids start getting posted about the 14th and for the rest it is a "hit and miss" type release with some categories running up against the deadline. The bids are not "offical" until they are actually posted in DBMS. With that being said, my schedule has never changed from what was posted on the "bid awards" link on the crew resources page.
Hope this helps.
Denny
12-12-2009, 08:19 PM
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12-12-2009, 09:43 PM
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Heyas Sink,
This is because nobody outside of NWA and a few airliners.net types understood that NRT is more than just a connection point for people going to/from Asia.
With 5th Freedom, NWA was able to solicit and carry Japanese O&D traffic, not just to the US, but to all points in Asia, just as if it was a native Japanese Flag carrier.
This is HUGE. This is something that no other airline (other than UAL, to a limited extent) could do. Did a majority of the traffic go US-Asia at some point? Sure, BUT, what it allowed NWA (and DAL) to do is to "top off" those flights with local traffic. Sure, a lot of it was comparatively low yeild, but it WAS yeild for a seat that would have otherwise gone out empty. Pure profit, in other words. Everybody is so darm US centric, they don't see the big picture.
Now as far as the 5th freedom rights mentioned here:
*Removal of restrictions of 5th freedom rights beyond each country (but approval from 3rd country remains required)
That sounds like a relaxation in 5th freedom restrictions, NOT tightening them. And it states that approval from 3rd country is STILL required...if 5th freedoms are eliminated why state this? This makes it sound like 5th freedoms are still in place.
THAT could be why DAL isn't causing as much of a fuss as they might have...I mean, look at the NMB voting rules dust up, or heck, even the LGA deal ("write your congresscritter! your job is COUNTING on it! Here's a link! Do it NOW!"). When this issue came up in the 90's, NWA brought every trick and legislative effort they could muster, even to the point where non-NWA types noticed what was happening...we're talking full page ads in the Washington Post, every day, for months at a time.
40 slots a day, for the whole world at Haneda will dent NRT traffic, but I'm not guessing quite as much as the pundits might say.
Plus there is the whole slot issue. So what if it's open skies? If you don't have landing slots, it doesn't matter. Just like Heathrow. We can't even fill a DC-9 from ATL to Birmingham, and you're telling me you're going to fill a 787 from Nowheresan, Japan to East Butthole, Minnesota? Ain't going to happen. Traffic flows the way it flows for a reason.
Do we need a partner in Asia? It might help, but I'm not seeing this as the epic fail some are seeing.
Nu
This is because nobody outside of NWA and a few airliners.net types understood that NRT is more than just a connection point for people going to/from Asia.
With 5th Freedom, NWA was able to solicit and carry Japanese O&D traffic, not just to the US, but to all points in Asia, just as if it was a native Japanese Flag carrier.
This is HUGE. This is something that no other airline (other than UAL, to a limited extent) could do. Did a majority of the traffic go US-Asia at some point? Sure, BUT, what it allowed NWA (and DAL) to do is to "top off" those flights with local traffic. Sure, a lot of it was comparatively low yeild, but it WAS yeild for a seat that would have otherwise gone out empty. Pure profit, in other words. Everybody is so darm US centric, they don't see the big picture.
Now as far as the 5th freedom rights mentioned here:
*Removal of restrictions of 5th freedom rights beyond each country (but approval from 3rd country remains required)
That sounds like a relaxation in 5th freedom restrictions, NOT tightening them. And it states that approval from 3rd country is STILL required...if 5th freedoms are eliminated why state this? This makes it sound like 5th freedoms are still in place.
THAT could be why DAL isn't causing as much of a fuss as they might have...I mean, look at the NMB voting rules dust up, or heck, even the LGA deal ("write your congresscritter! your job is COUNTING on it! Here's a link! Do it NOW!"). When this issue came up in the 90's, NWA brought every trick and legislative effort they could muster, even to the point where non-NWA types noticed what was happening...we're talking full page ads in the Washington Post, every day, for months at a time.
40 slots a day, for the whole world at Haneda will dent NRT traffic, but I'm not guessing quite as much as the pundits might say.
Plus there is the whole slot issue. So what if it's open skies? If you don't have landing slots, it doesn't matter. Just like Heathrow. We can't even fill a DC-9 from ATL to Birmingham, and you're telling me you're going to fill a 787 from Nowheresan, Japan to East Butthole, Minnesota? Ain't going to happen. Traffic flows the way it flows for a reason.
Do we need a partner in Asia? It might help, but I'm not seeing this as the epic fail some are seeing.
Nu
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12-12-2009, 11:27 PM
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Heyas Bar,
No one wanted to commute less that I did. I even lived in MSP, which cost me a relationship and was a MISERABLE place (for me) to live. I hate grubbing for jumpseats or stressing over whether or not I'd make a flight. I loved the fact that 20 minutes after walking off the airplane, I'd be passed out on my couch.
I said I'd NEVER commute...But never say never, and I've done it for the last 7 years.
Here are my secrets:
1) ALWAYS stay in one time zone
2) ALWAYS make sure it's a one leg commute
3) ALWAYS go up the night before, no matter when the report.
4) ALWAYS have a primary and secondary to get you to work with time to spare.
4) NEVER plan on a commute TO WORK off line
5) NEVER run for a flight home. It just stresses you out.
6) NEVER plan a commute on an RJ. The chances of getting bumped off, weight restricted or subjected to the vagaries of some minimum wage ramp agent are about %100.
6) NEVER two-leg it. You only increase your chances at some kind of foul up. You almost always wind up later than if you waited an hour for the nonstop.
Do the math and if you can keep it to three trips a month, you can keep hotel costs down less to than a crash pad, and you can delete the need for a car. I hotel it 3 times a month, at the Baymont in DTW. It's $43 out the door, is acceptably clean, so my total costs for commuting run $129 a month.
Plan ahead as far as you can. I always set up all my hotels all in advance, as soon as I knew my schedule. The 10 day window on the JS was great, because once you had it, you could relax. This 3 day window is going to suck.
The call in honest was great, and it took all the stress off.
We could also book our JS at NWA on-line, and there were a few ways to do it unattended, with 3rd party software, which was AWESOME. Set it up, and it would book it right at noon, then shut the computer off. Not being able to book it online is also going to suck.
Hope this helps...
Nu
No one wanted to commute less that I did. I even lived in MSP, which cost me a relationship and was a MISERABLE place (for me) to live. I hate grubbing for jumpseats or stressing over whether or not I'd make a flight. I loved the fact that 20 minutes after walking off the airplane, I'd be passed out on my couch.
I said I'd NEVER commute...But never say never, and I've done it for the last 7 years.
Here are my secrets:
1) ALWAYS stay in one time zone
2) ALWAYS make sure it's a one leg commute
3) ALWAYS go up the night before, no matter when the report.
4) ALWAYS have a primary and secondary to get you to work with time to spare.
4) NEVER plan on a commute TO WORK off line
5) NEVER run for a flight home. It just stresses you out.
6) NEVER plan a commute on an RJ. The chances of getting bumped off, weight restricted or subjected to the vagaries of some minimum wage ramp agent are about %100.
6) NEVER two-leg it. You only increase your chances at some kind of foul up. You almost always wind up later than if you waited an hour for the nonstop.
Do the math and if you can keep it to three trips a month, you can keep hotel costs down less to than a crash pad, and you can delete the need for a car. I hotel it 3 times a month, at the Baymont in DTW. It's $43 out the door, is acceptably clean, so my total costs for commuting run $129 a month.
Plan ahead as far as you can. I always set up all my hotels all in advance, as soon as I knew my schedule. The 10 day window on the JS was great, because once you had it, you could relax. This 3 day window is going to suck.
The call in honest was great, and it took all the stress off.
We could also book our JS at NWA on-line, and there were a few ways to do it unattended, with 3rd party software, which was AWESOME. Set it up, and it would book it right at noon, then shut the computer off. Not being able to book it online is also going to suck.
Hope this helps...
Nu
Last edited by NuGuy; 12-13-2009 at 12:25 AM.
12-13-2009, 12:49 AM
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Its easy to spout the anti commuter rhetoric when your commute is to the trip dropped ALPA office. Thank you for your service and your representation. My heels are locked, shoulders back chin in...thank you sir mayI have another.
The sand pile your head is buried in should be packed...
Commuters make this operation run.
Its easy to spout the anti commuter rhetoric when your commute is to the trip dropped ALPA office. Thank you for your service and your representation. My heels are locked, shoulders back chin in...thank you sir mayI have another.
The sand pile your head is buried in should be packed...
Commuters make this operation run.
Excuse the ignorance....but you are agreeing with me correct? I mean, I just don't understand the "anti-commuter" philosophy we have...yes sometimes it's by choice...but more often than not...it's not by choice and some senior guys tend to forget that. They also seem to forget how it felt to be JUNIOR. I promise all of my Delta boys this......if I am fortunate enough to live a long career with this great company.....even when I am senior....I will NEVER forget or misrepresent the junior guys. NEVER.
12-13-2009, 12:59 AM
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Hockey apparently was a Shuttlepublicaqua guy. I've watched his posts for a while on FI and here..... the unfortunate thing is you can discount his posts as just whiny and misinformed 95% of the time. Most things he complains about are because he doesn't take the time or mental power to understand or do something about said situation.
I wouldn't put a whole lot of weight into them.
I wouldn't put a whole lot of weight into them.
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