acl65pilot

PG, and because of these factors that you agree with me on, do we punish them because of the bad few? That trend needs to change. I know you will never need to commute, and it will be a choice for you, but there are many that have those issues, commuting adds to it, and by not upping our support of these guys, makes their lives that much more miserable.

I am sure the guys in DFW thought that they would not commute.
Also it is easy for a young family to move, but not one with roots. Issues with portability of this career make all the parallels with other professions moot. If I could walk in to AA and get my job with seniority and pay it would be one thing, but we can't. Hence the reason for commuting in this career.

Also, read the other point. Companies all over the world pay for their employees that can't or don't move to fly to work every week, on a paid ticket. They will do that for my wife to keep her when her job move to IAH. Why? because they know that it is better to keep her, and to try and prove a point and effect their operation.

bigdaddie

Yep, my buddie at UPS got hired about the same time as I did here. He's been a Capt on the MD11 out of ANC for quite a few years now and doesn't worry one bit about commuting because he is PS from home (somewhere in LA) to ANC. Really: what does it cost to PS us to work?

acl65pilot

It costs a possible revenue seat. 12K pilots and two seats a week. 24K seats a week 1,248,000 seats a year. There is a cost.

FrankCobretti

By the way, this is the most informative thread in the whole interweb. Thanks, gents.

Ferd149

You can take, what, 50%? away from that for people who don't commute? But, your point is well taken as far as PS is concerned.

The north policy, from what I understand, is seldom used. For example, I've used it only twice in the 6 to 7 years that it's been effect.

Bottom like, why can't someone (jumpseat committee?) at DALPA demonstrate that it's used too much and unsellable or that it's what most of us think.........a stress reliever that's seldom used.

Ferd

Gnewt

Hi Sink,

The Japanese already do fly 5th freedom beyond the US. Both JAL and ANA fly beyond their US gateways to South America. As does LAN Chile, Korean, Emirates, ANZ, Qantas, AF and others. I suppose a few Japanese startups might try to establish a Trans-pac service, but I doubt it.

G

80ktsClamp

Not to mention a good amount of those flights it was nonrevs that the positive space would be bumping, not revenue passengers.

iceman49

Another difference was that the North side would Pos Sp our check airman to get them in place for a line check, freeing up the jump seat.
Plus why do we carry around extra weight, for the chance there might be last minute bags...when you multiply that weight times hundreds of flights per day...lot of lost revenue and excess fuel carried.

KC10 FATboy

Ferd ...

I'm a new guy here but I'll throw out a possibility. Because lots of the people in those types of positions are Atlanta based and don't have to worry about such things.

Now with this bid, things could very well change.

To quote one Atlanta based pilot in the lounge the day the MOAB dropped, "I guess we had it coming...."

acl65pilot

I am an ATL guy and live in ATL, but the simple fact is that we have been an accumulator in the whole system for a long time. What DAL is doing is putting flying in bases to minimize layos in other bases. It makes sense. Less NYC. Good.