Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
12-12-2009, 01:36 PM
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12-12-2009, 01:36 PM
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What I'm saying is this category has 337ish seats, you need to be in the top 91% of the company to hold ATL 767 B, 82% overall in the company to hold a line in category and 85% seniority inside the ATL 767 B category to hold a line.
ATL
M88 A: 451 seats, 69% to hold, 55%/84%C to hold a line
M88 B: 471 seats, 100% to hold, 95%/80%C to hold a line
73N A: 247 seats, 41% to hold, 35%/85%C to hold a line
73N B: 237 seats, 93% to hold, 86%/83%C to hold a line
767 A: 345 seats, 43% to hold, 27%/84%C to hold a line
767 B: 337 seats, 91% to hold, 82%/85%C to hold a line
7ER A: 316 seats, 42% to hold, 30%/85%C to hold a line
7ER B: 515 seats, 92% to hold, 75%/80%C to hold a line
765 A: 172 seats, 27% to hold, 10%/68%C to hold a line
765 B: 288 seats, 74% to hold, 61%/77%C to hold a line
777 A: 232 seats, 22% to hold, 9%/62%C to hold a line
777 B: 231 seats, 71% to hold, 53%/62%C to hold a line
NYC
M88 A: 88 seats, 81% to hold, 62%/69%C to hold a line
M88 B: 88 seats, 100% to hold, 99%/59%C to hold a line
73N A: 71 seats, 61% to hold, 49%/73%C to hold a line
73N B: 71 seats, 99% to hold, 97%/73%C to hold a line
7ER A: 285 seats, 46% to hold, 41%/91%C to hold a line
7ER B: 482 seats, 97% to hold, 93%/82%C to hold a line
777 A: 39 seats, 27% to hold, 17%/72%C to hold a line
777 B: 42 seats, 70% to hold, 57%/57%C to hold a line
CVG
M89 A: 62 seats, 51% to hold, 46%/74%C to hold a line
M89 B: 68 seats, 100% to hold, 96%/57%C to hold a line
73N A: 64 seats, 47% to hold, 37%/50%C to hold a line
73N B: 58 seats, 99% to hold, 81%/74%C to hold a line
7ER A: 113 seats, 39% to hold, 22%/72%C to hold a line
7ER B: 115 seats, 95% to hold, 75%/69%C to hold a line
DTW
DC9 A: 145 seats, 75% to hold, no line data
DC9 B: 145 seats, 99% to hold, no line data
A32 A: 265 seats, 27% to hold, 43%/80%C to hold a line
A32 B: 241 seats, 99% to hold, 88%/80%C to hold a line
755 A: 220 seats, 38% to hold, no line data
755 B: 224 seats, 88% to hold, no line data
A33 A: 150 seats, 19% to hold, 14%/71%C to hold a line
A33 B: 227 seats, 71% to hold, 57%/67%C to hold a line
744 A: 169 seats, 15% to hold, 8%/75%C to hold a line
744B: 234 seats, 67% to hold, 37%/58%C to hold a line
MSP
DC9 A: 164 seats, 73% to hold, no line data
DC9 B: 161 seats, 99% to hold, no line data
A32 A: 332 seats, 53% to hold, 42%/84%C to hold a line
A32 B: 319 seats, 96% to hold, 89%/79%C to hold a line
755 A: 225 seats, 35% to hold, no line data
755 B: 209 seats, 86% to hold, no line data
A33 A: 61 seats, 12% to hold, 2%/57%C to hold a line
A33 B: 72 seats, 67% to hold, 59%/69%C to hold a line
MEM
DC9 A: 36 seats, 74% to hold, no line data
DC9 B: 40 seats, 100% to hold, no line data
A32 A: 87 seats, 49% to hold, 42%/74%C to hold a line
A32 B: 75 seats, 98% to hold, 82%/72%C to hold a line
SLC
M89 A: 90 seats, 57% to hold, 47%/80%C to hold a line
M89 B: 92 seats, 98% to hold, 91%/70%C to hold a line
73N A: 85 seats, 46% to hold, 32%/80%C to hold a line
73N B: 83 seats, 96% to hold, 88%/82%C to hold a line
767 A: 90 seats, 38% to hold, 25%/87%C to hold a line
767 B: 91 seats, 94% to hold, 86%/81%C to hold a line
SEA
A33 A: 92 seats, 15% to hold, 11%/74%C to hold a line
A33 B: 153 seats, 63% to hold, 50%/73%C to hold a line
LAX
73N A: 52 seats, 50% to hold, 37%/50%C to hold a line
73N B: 35 seats, 95% to hold, 79%/57%C to hold a line
7ER A: 115 seats, 45% to hold, 22%/66%C to hold a line
7ER B: 117 seats, 94% to hold, 69%/62%C to hold a line
Here it is again!
12-12-2009, 01:37 PM
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Having used both extensively:
They both are virtually the same. The WDR is obviously a totally different deal over here, so it's obviously going to be different on ACARS. Never quite understood the 88/ prefix before runway change... but it quickly becomes part of your language, like anything with this job and it's many acronyms. I still try to type "9L-M2" the old NW way sometimes instead of "9LTWYM2" the way we do it... error! error!
I vastly prefer the DL WDR system over the NW, though. The detail and choices in flex temps as opposed to "this or full power" is so much more logical.
I would imagine we'll get TP requests integrated into the DL ACARS before too long. That's not in ours...because well, we didnt have it.
The one thing I truly miss is the connecting gate option on the NWA ACARS. That was so nice to be able to put in a flight number and find the gate and ETD.
Other than that, Coming straight from the NW ACARS (9E's system was identical), I've found it to be quite simple to transition and was able to figure it out within a couple minutes of sitting down and doodling with it.
They both are virtually the same. The WDR is obviously a totally different deal over here, so it's obviously going to be different on ACARS. Never quite understood the 88/ prefix before runway change... but it quickly becomes part of your language, like anything with this job and it's many acronyms. I still try to type "9L-M2" the old NW way sometimes instead of "9LTWYM2" the way we do it... error! error!
I vastly prefer the DL WDR system over the NW, though. The detail and choices in flex temps as opposed to "this or full power" is so much more logical.
I would imagine we'll get TP requests integrated into the DL ACARS before too long. That's not in ours...because well, we didnt have it.
The one thing I truly miss is the connecting gate option on the NWA ACARS. That was so nice to be able to put in a flight number and find the gate and ETD.
Other than that, Coming straight from the NW ACARS (9E's system was identical), I've found it to be quite simple to transition and was able to figure it out within a couple minutes of sitting down and doodling with it.
A 27L
B 27R
C 28
D 26L
When you find the proper runway/intersection, you can send the request back with just the letter, for example if you wanted 28 you could send
88/C
Then you will get the numbers for 28. If you think you may get some changes, you can send the bogus message on pushback and have the list ready when you are on the taxiway.
One other trick, if you are on a performance limited runway, you should toggle to "No Tolerance" after pushback. Sometimes this will make you legal for takeoff. It works especially at SNA when sometimes you are overweight for the active with the tolerance, but are good to go without the tolerance. Saves waiting for 30 minutes to do an opposite direction takeoff.
12-12-2009, 01:40 PM
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No, you've got to grow up. Name another job where you make a six figure income and when promotions (or demotions) come, you aren't expected to often have to move all over the country. Name another job where you can make a six figure income in Atlanta, GA, while living full time in Madison Wisconsin, all the time whining that your medical care in Madison Wisconsin isn't as good as it used to be, now that your company is headquartered in Georgia.
And not one Atlanta local will be forced to commute. There are already plenty of commuters based in Atlanta who can keep chasing the money if they want to. Life is full of choices. If you don't want to uproot your family, fine, bid an airplane in Atlanta you can hold. If you are truly too junior to hold anything in Atlanta, then commuting may be a necessary evil, but very few pilots will fall into that category. Very few. I'm willing to cut them some slack and even give a reasonable commuting policy but as for the rest -- forget it. Don't make ME have to pay so others can live in East Bumble and commute to wherever.
And not one Atlanta local will be forced to commute. There are already plenty of commuters based in Atlanta who can keep chasing the money if they want to. Life is full of choices. If you don't want to uproot your family, fine, bid an airplane in Atlanta you can hold. If you are truly too junior to hold anything in Atlanta, then commuting may be a necessary evil, but very few pilots will fall into that category. Very few. I'm willing to cut them some slack and even give a reasonable commuting policy but as for the rest -- forget it. Don't make ME have to pay so others can live in East Bumble and commute to wherever.
1. 20 years experience gets starter pay of $24,000/year
2. When you get laid off you get no credit for your experience because you start at the bottom again.
3. Where 10 years at the company (5 of which you were on furlough) you still don't make $100K.
4. Where 10 years at the company you're worried whether you get another pay cut because you get bumped back to M88/DC9 FO, a worse schedule and a terrible commute.
It's a terrible business and nobody's looking out for anyone except yourself.
12-12-2009, 01:45 PM
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Here is a trick for runway changes if you are not sure of what to type in. Send in an AWABS Update request with an invalid runway (like 44). You will get back a message that has all possible runway/intersection choices along with a letter, it might look like this:
A 27L
B 27R
C 28
D 26L
When you find the proper runway/intersection, you can send the request back with just the letter, for example if you wanted 28 you could send
88/C
Then you will get the numbers for 28. If you think you may get some changes, you can send the bogus message on pushback and have the list ready when you are on the taxiway.
One other trick, if you are on a performance limited runway, you should toggle to "No Tolerance" after pushback. Sometimes this will make you legal for takeoff. It works especially at SNA when sometimes you are overweight for the active with the tolerance, but are good to go without the tolerance. Saves waiting for 30 minutes to do an opposite direction takeoff.
A 27L
B 27R
C 28
D 26L
When you find the proper runway/intersection, you can send the request back with just the letter, for example if you wanted 28 you could send
88/C
Then you will get the numbers for 28. If you think you may get some changes, you can send the bogus message on pushback and have the list ready when you are on the taxiway.
One other trick, if you are on a performance limited runway, you should toggle to "No Tolerance" after pushback. Sometimes this will make you legal for takeoff. It works especially at SNA when sometimes you are overweight for the active with the tolerance, but are good to go without the tolerance. Saves waiting for 30 minutes to do an opposite direction takeoff.
That's a great trick, alfa! I never thought about the "No Tolerance" after pushback.
Excellent shortcuts on the runway change deal, too- exactly what I use.
12-12-2009, 01:48 PM
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Great question. I can't believe everyone isn't asking LOTS of questions about this.
If all US airlines get equal access to Japanese airports, Delta will lose on this deal big time. The only variable left is the codeshare, if AMR keeps JAL and I imagine they will, lots of questions for Delta's future in the East. I don't think it's a stretch to say that our presence in Japan will be diminished. Im guessing that Delta will get a number of Haneda slots in exchange for the removal of all 5th freedom rights. Hope Im wrong on that. We'll know as more info. becomes public.
Im guessing this is the reason for the Guam base? We'll still be watching the game, it's just going to be from the nosebleed seats, further from the action so to speak.
Hope Im wrong on this, but damn it would hurt to see our widebody flying pulled down in Asia because of this.
If all US airlines get equal access to Japanese airports, Delta will lose on this deal big time. The only variable left is the codeshare, if AMR keeps JAL and I imagine they will, lots of questions for Delta's future in the East. I don't think it's a stretch to say that our presence in Japan will be diminished. Im guessing that Delta will get a number of Haneda slots in exchange for the removal of all 5th freedom rights. Hope Im wrong on that. We'll know as more info. becomes public.
Im guessing this is the reason for the Guam base? We'll still be watching the game, it's just going to be from the nosebleed seats, further from the action so to speak.
Hope Im wrong on this, but damn it would hurt to see our widebody flying pulled down in Asia because of this.
Sad thing is the Open Skies is a done deal.
12-12-2009, 01:50 PM
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Looks like they are setting up ATL for the invasion of the 330 and 320 in a bid or two. Lots of shifting still to come.
12-12-2009, 01:51 PM
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12-12-2009, 01:52 PM
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12-12-2009, 01:53 PM
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Look, you will never see our point and I think you see no one agrees with you. I know you would never cheat on a test, but lets say you knew the answer was "B" but when you looked around, everyone around you had marked "C", wouldn't you wonder about how certain you were?
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