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12-12-2009, 12:52 PM
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That is correct, the name will be changed to 7ER.
Their pay will not be bumped up, because they are already making the same as the 7ER (which pays the same as the 757 which is the same as the 767).
What I'm saying is there is no 7ER pay level. There is 757/767 pay - and international override if you are flying an international trip. But, the international override pay is the same whether it's on a M88, 737, 767 or 777.
A pilot in the 7ER category who flies a domestic trip doesn't get the international override - he/she just gets the regular 757/767 pay.
Their pay will not be bumped up, because they are already making the same as the 7ER (which pays the same as the 757 which is the same as the 767).
What I'm saying is there is no 7ER pay level. There is 757/767 pay - and international override if you are flying an international trip. But, the international override pay is the same whether it's on a M88, 737, 767 or 777.
A pilot in the 7ER category who flies a domestic trip doesn't get the international override - he/she just gets the regular 757/767 pay.
12-12-2009, 01:04 PM
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That's not the half of it - some of those have winglets, some don't. Some can't have winglets. Some have sat com, some don't. Three different types of FMS. Some can fly flights over 12 hours, some can't. London/Heathrow only gets one of those type for competitive reasons. Some pay more. Some pay more overseas.
12-12-2009, 01:11 PM
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That's not the half of it - some of those have winglets, some don't. Some can't have winglets. Some have sat com, some don't. Three different types of FMS. Some can fly flights over 12 hours, some can't. London/Heathrow only gets one of those type for competitive reasons. Some pay more. Some pay more overseas.
I actually LIKED the seperate ACARS...much less hassle....well, the NWA ACARS...the DAL ACARS is retarded....my opinion only, no taps back.
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12-12-2009, 01:16 PM
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The majority of the 757/767 fleet has a separate ACARS unit too. I think it's only the very latest Pegasus upgrades on DAL-S planes that you access the ACARS through the "Menu" button on the MCDU.
12-12-2009, 01:19 PM
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FWIW, all the NWA birds have the identical FMS, although the MCDUs are slightly different to accomodate some that have integrated ACARS.
I actually LIKED the seperate ACARS...much less hassle....well, the NWA ACARS...the DAL ACARS is retarded....my opinion only, no taps back.
Nu
I actually LIKED the seperate ACARS...much less hassle....well, the NWA ACARS...the DAL ACARS is retarded....my opinion only, no taps back.
Nu
Having used both extensively:
They both are virtually the same. The WDR is obviously a totally different deal over here, so it's obviously going to be different on ACARS. Never quite understood the 88/ prefix before runway change... but it quickly becomes part of your language, like anything with this job and it's many acronyms. I still try to type "9L-M2" the old NW way sometimes instead of "9LTWYM2" the way we do it... error! error!
I vastly prefer the DL WDR system over the NW, though. The detail and choices in flex temps as opposed to "this or full power" is so much more logical.
I would imagine we'll get TP requests integrated into the DL ACARS before too long. That's not in ours...because well, we didnt have it.
The one thing I truly miss is the connecting gate option on the NWA ACARS. That was so nice to be able to put in a flight number and find the gate and ETD.
Other than that, Coming straight from the NW ACARS (9E's system was identical), I've found it to be quite simple to transition and was able to figure it out within a couple minutes of sitting down and doodling with it.
12-12-2009, 01:20 PM
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12-12-2009, 01:21 PM
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For you guys thinking of bidding LA, same story, it could be worse. I cover LAX, ONT and SNA. When I have a trip out of SNA, I drive down the night before and hotel it. Sounds to me like the NYC guys have it better...just cab over. That's off the charts in LA. I do, however, have a house you can buy which has been devalued by 35%. Its an hour from LAX, on a good day, and an hour and a half during rush hour. PM me if your interested.
Not to mention the lovely redeyes and non-commutable trips
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12-12-2009, 01:22 PM
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This is the last one I'll respond to. You choose to live around relatives. Fine. No problem. That is a choice you make, and there's value in that. But why should everyone else have to pay for that choice by spending negotiating capital on an overly generous commuter policy, losing sick leave due to commuter abuse, etc. etc.
I'm all for some accommodations to commuters. I think DAL-S has that. But when we start talking positive space passes, and thus lost revenue, that's too much, imo.
Commuting is a choice. I'm glad you have that choice. But to go overboard with accommodations to the extent NWA did, costs those who make the sacrifice to move their family to a pilot base and NOT commute.
BTW, calling ME selfish because I don't want to overly subsidize YOUR choice to commute is the ultimate in selfishness.
I'm done.
I'm all for some accommodations to commuters. I think DAL-S has that. But when we start talking positive space passes, and thus lost revenue, that's too much, imo.
Commuting is a choice. I'm glad you have that choice. But to go overboard with accommodations to the extent NWA did, costs those who make the sacrifice to move their family to a pilot base and NOT commute.
BTW, calling ME selfish because I don't want to overly subsidize YOUR choice to commute is the ultimate in selfishness.
I'm done.
There it is folks... in big red letters.. in his own words. Pineapple probably lives in PTC... probably in the top 10% of his category... has and always will drive to work, so he will NEVER understand what it is to be a commuter. His posts have no meaning whatsoever. Congrats Pineapple.. You are the second guy to make my ignore list. Unbelievable.
12-12-2009, 01:27 PM
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Japan/US signs landmark OpenSkies deal
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Japan and US has concluded an open skies deal, followed by the latest talk this week, which ended on Friday 10DEC09. The highlights of the deal includes (based on various Japanese media reports) :
*Unlimited flights, destinations for carriers from both sides between US and Japan, except Tokyo market.
*Unlimited operating carriers from each side
*ATI (anti-trust immunity) inclusion
*Up to 4 Daily service between US and Tokyo Haneda for US carriers
*US carriers’ slot shares at Tokyo Narita to lower from 28% to 25% once the airport slots increases from March 2010, equivalent of 8 weekly round-trip reduction
*Due to slots issues at Tokyo Haneda and Narita, slots issuance for these two airports remains to be Government controlled
*Removal of restrictions of 5th freedom rights beyond each country (but approval from 3rd country remains required)
Both sides extended the talk by one extra day on Friday 10DEC09 due to an impasse regarding slots at both Tokyo airports, which has been an major setback for both parties for the past 4 talks in 2009. This week is the 5th talks for the year.
There will be approximately 40 International services at Tokyo Haneda starting Oct 2010, which half of these flights are operated by foreign carriers. Of these flights, 20 flights to be operated by Japanese carriers, 2 each for Korea, Singapore and Germany; 1 each for 6 countries including Canada and France. However, all flights can only operate between 2200 (or 2300) and 0700 LT, with exceptions to selected destinations in Asia, which allows daytime operation.
Anti-trust immunity is possible for the first time between the two countries. ANA has been studying intensified cooperation with Star Alliance partners UNITED and Continental which includes ATI. Application could be issued as early as this month and in effect from Oct 2010 if approved. On the other hand, the near-collapsing JAL is still undecided on its future alliance/partnership as both DELTA and American expressed interest to create/deepen the partnership, also includes ATI. It allows multiple carriers to coordinate their schedules, pricing, and marketing. In short, multiple carriers operating as a single airline if approved.
It should also be noted that this is the First full-scale open-skies deal for Japan with another foreign country. It has been pushing for a “smaller-scale” deal with other countries in the past due to slots issue at Tokyo airports.
airline schedule/codeshare/route updates
Japan/US signs landmark OpenSkies deal
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Japan and US has concluded an open skies deal, followed by the latest talk this week, which ended on Friday 10DEC09. The highlights of the deal includes (based on various Japanese media reports) :
*Unlimited flights, destinations for carriers from both sides between US and Japan, except Tokyo market.
*Unlimited operating carriers from each side
*ATI (anti-trust immunity) inclusion
*Up to 4 Daily service between US and Tokyo Haneda for US carriers
*US carriers’ slot shares at Tokyo Narita to lower from 28% to 25% once the airport slots increases from March 2010, equivalent of 8 weekly round-trip reduction
*Due to slots issues at Tokyo Haneda and Narita, slots issuance for these two airports remains to be Government controlled
*Removal of restrictions of 5th freedom rights beyond each country (but approval from 3rd country remains required)
Both sides extended the talk by one extra day on Friday 10DEC09 due to an impasse regarding slots at both Tokyo airports, which has been an major setback for both parties for the past 4 talks in 2009. This week is the 5th talks for the year.
There will be approximately 40 International services at Tokyo Haneda starting Oct 2010, which half of these flights are operated by foreign carriers. Of these flights, 20 flights to be operated by Japanese carriers, 2 each for Korea, Singapore and Germany; 1 each for 6 countries including Canada and France. However, all flights can only operate between 2200 (or 2300) and 0700 LT, with exceptions to selected destinations in Asia, which allows daytime operation.
Anti-trust immunity is possible for the first time between the two countries. ANA has been studying intensified cooperation with Star Alliance partners UNITED and Continental which includes ATI. Application could be issued as early as this month and in effect from Oct 2010 if approved. On the other hand, the near-collapsing JAL is still undecided on its future alliance/partnership as both DELTA and American expressed interest to create/deepen the partnership, also includes ATI. It allows multiple carriers to coordinate their schedules, pricing, and marketing. In short, multiple carriers operating as a single airline if approved.
It should also be noted that this is the First full-scale open-skies deal for Japan with another foreign country. It has been pushing for a “smaller-scale” deal with other countries in the past due to slots issue at Tokyo airports.
I agree with FTB (I think), we better have gotten something from Japan's Transportation Minester for this........JAL?Anyway, this ain't good boys
12-12-2009, 01:34 PM
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This is the last one I'll respond to. You choose to live around relatives. Fine. No problem. That is a choice you make, and there's value in that. But why should everyone else have to pay for that choice by spending negotiating capital on an overly generous commuter policy, losing sick leave due to commuter abuse, etc. etc.
I'm all for some accommodations to commuters. I think DAL-S has that. But when we start talking positive space passes, and thus lost revenue, that's too much, imo.
Commuting is a choice. I'm glad you have that choice. But to go overboard with accommodations to the extent NWA did, costs those who make the sacrifice to move their family to a pilot base and NOT commute.
BTW, calling ME selfish because I don't want to overly subsidize YOUR choice to commute is the ultimate in selfishness.
I'm done.
I'm all for some accommodations to commuters. I think DAL-S has that. But when we start talking positive space passes, and thus lost revenue, that's too much, imo.
Commuting is a choice. I'm glad you have that choice. But to go overboard with accommodations to the extent NWA did, costs those who make the sacrifice to move their family to a pilot base and NOT commute.
BTW, calling ME selfish because I don't want to overly subsidize YOUR choice to commute is the ultimate in selfishness.
I'm done.
And yeah I guess you are right....there are no Pilots who live in base who call in sick just because they can right?
And every commuter out there calls in sick when they think their commute is going to be a rough one. Making some pretty broad generalizations there boss.
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