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12-12-2009, 07:19 AM
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Wow, what an entitlement mentality. Are you in your twenties? 
Have we EVER had pay protection for mandatory displacements before? I've been here a long time, got kicked off the MD-11 (twice) and never got pay protection. Now, you're whining that we have it, but its not enough.
Have we EVER had pay protection for mandatory displacements before? I've been here a long time, got kicked off the MD-11 (twice) and never got pay protection. Now, you're whining that we have it, but its not enough.
Hold on a sec. I have no entitlement mentality wrt the pay protection thing. None at all. I am just stating that I think it is a farce in the way it is written. For Example, let's say that one of the 765 FOs that is getting kicked out of ATL is a line holder, but in order to get his pay protection he has to go be reserve on the 7er in LAX... This is a good thing? Really?
Sorry, I guess I am just in a flamethrowing mood this morning, but believe me there is no entitlement mentality in this thing. I just hope that we didn't expend any REAL negotiating capital to achieve it.
12-12-2009, 07:30 AM
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Something, I was wondering after this bid comes out (after SOC).
Are the guys that are receiving pay protection right now going to lose it after SOC if there are guys junior to them on the 755 or 320. (Guys who were displaced from the 7ER but are senior to guys on the 755). I'm sure there are some other scenarios with guys being pay protected from the 73N to 320.
We have been looking at just f DAL S equipment with all of the scenarios.
Just asking the question?
Are the guys that are receiving pay protection right now going to lose it after SOC if there are guys junior to them on the 755 or 320. (Guys who were displaced from the 7ER but are senior to guys on the 755). I'm sure there are some other scenarios with guys being pay protected from the 73N to 320.
We have been looking at just f DAL S equipment with all of the scenarios.
Just asking the question?
For instance, if the difference between what they have and you had is $5.00 an hour. Then your current pay rate on the lower equipment will be increased $5.00.
12-12-2009, 07:38 AM
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I'm still kind of confused as to why the Old South didn't/doesn't have longer recall rights. It would seem like both the company and the pilots would want something longer than 180 days.
12-12-2009, 07:42 AM
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Hold on a sec. I have no entitlement mentality wrt the pay protection thing. None at all. I am just stating that I think it is a farce in the way it is written. For Example, let's say that one of the 765 FOs that is getting kicked out of ATL is a line holder, but in order to get his pay protection he has to go be reserve on the 7er in LAX... This is a good thing? Really?
Sorry, I guess I am just in a flamethrowing mood this morning, but believe me there is no entitlement mentality in this thing. I just hope that we didn't expend any REAL negotiating capital to achieve it.
Sorry, I guess I am just in a flamethrowing mood this morning, but believe me there is no entitlement mentality in this thing. I just hope that we didn't expend any REAL negotiating capital to achieve it.
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12-12-2009, 07:42 AM
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Japan/US signs landmark OpenSkies deal
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Japan and US has concluded an open skies deal, followed by the latest talk this week, which ended on Friday 10DEC09. The highlights of the deal includes (based on various Japanese media reports) :
*Unlimited flights, destinations for carriers from both sides between US and Japan, except Tokyo market.
*Unlimited operating carriers from each side
*ATI (anti-trust immunity) inclusion
*Up to 4 Daily service between US and Tokyo Haneda for US carriers
*US carriers’ slot shares at Tokyo Narita to lower from 28% to 25% once the airport slots increases from March 2010, equivalent of 8 weekly round-trip reduction
*Due to slots issues at Tokyo Haneda and Narita, slots issuance for these two airports remains to be Government controlled
*Removal of restrictions of 5th freedom rights beyond each country (but approval from 3rd country remains required)
Both sides extended the talk by one extra day on Friday 10DEC09 due to an impasse regarding slots at both Tokyo airports, which has been an major setback for both parties for the past 4 talks in 2009. This week is the 5th talks for the year.
There will be approximately 40 International services at Tokyo Haneda starting Oct 2010, which half of these flights are operated by foreign carriers. Of these flights, 20 flights to be operated by Japanese carriers, 2 each for Korea, Singapore and Germany; 1 each for 6 countries including Canada and France. However, all flights can only operate between 2200 (or 2300) and 0700 LT, with exceptions to selected destinations in Asia, which allows daytime operation.
Anti-trust immunity is possible for the first time between the two countries. ANA has been studying intensified cooperation with Star Alliance partners UNITED and Continental which includes ATI. Application could be issued as early as this month and in effect from Oct 2010 if approved. On the other hand, the near-collapsing JAL is still undecided on its future alliance/partnership as both DELTA and American expressed interest to create/deepen the partnership, also includes ATI. It allows multiple carriers to coordinate their schedules, pricing, and marketing. In short, multiple carriers operating as a single airline if approved.
It should also be noted that this is the First full-scale open-skies deal for Japan with another foreign country. It has been pushing for a “smaller-scale” deal with other countries in the past due to slots issue at Tokyo airports.
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Japan/US signs landmark OpenSkies deal
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Japan and US has concluded an open skies deal, followed by the latest talk this week, which ended on Friday 10DEC09. The highlights of the deal includes (based on various Japanese media reports) :
*Unlimited flights, destinations for carriers from both sides between US and Japan, except Tokyo market.
*Unlimited operating carriers from each side
*ATI (anti-trust immunity) inclusion
*Up to 4 Daily service between US and Tokyo Haneda for US carriers
*US carriers’ slot shares at Tokyo Narita to lower from 28% to 25% once the airport slots increases from March 2010, equivalent of 8 weekly round-trip reduction
*Due to slots issues at Tokyo Haneda and Narita, slots issuance for these two airports remains to be Government controlled
*Removal of restrictions of 5th freedom rights beyond each country (but approval from 3rd country remains required)
Both sides extended the talk by one extra day on Friday 10DEC09 due to an impasse regarding slots at both Tokyo airports, which has been an major setback for both parties for the past 4 talks in 2009. This week is the 5th talks for the year.
There will be approximately 40 International services at Tokyo Haneda starting Oct 2010, which half of these flights are operated by foreign carriers. Of these flights, 20 flights to be operated by Japanese carriers, 2 each for Korea, Singapore and Germany; 1 each for 6 countries including Canada and France. However, all flights can only operate between 2200 (or 2300) and 0700 LT, with exceptions to selected destinations in Asia, which allows daytime operation.
Anti-trust immunity is possible for the first time between the two countries. ANA has been studying intensified cooperation with Star Alliance partners UNITED and Continental which includes ATI. Application could be issued as early as this month and in effect from Oct 2010 if approved. On the other hand, the near-collapsing JAL is still undecided on its future alliance/partnership as both DELTA and American expressed interest to create/deepen the partnership, also includes ATI. It allows multiple carriers to coordinate their schedules, pricing, and marketing. In short, multiple carriers operating as a single airline if approved.
It should also be noted that this is the First full-scale open-skies deal for Japan with another foreign country. It has been pushing for a “smaller-scale” deal with other countries in the past due to slots issue at Tokyo airports.
12-12-2009, 07:49 AM
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Sounds like a LHR kind of situation, Open Skies with no slots is not Open Skies.
12-12-2009, 07:54 AM
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12-12-2009, 07:57 AM
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12-12-2009, 08:03 AM
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Japan/US signs landmark OpenSkies deal
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Japan and US has concluded an open skies deal, followed by the latest talk this week, which ended on Friday 10DEC09. The highlights of the deal includes (based on various Japanese media reports) :
*Unlimited flights, destinations for carriers from both sides between US and Japan, except Tokyo market.
*Unlimited operating carriers from each side
*ATI (anti-trust immunity) inclusion
*Up to 4 Daily service between US and Tokyo Haneda for US carriers
*US carriers’ slot shares at Tokyo Narita to lower from 28% to 25% once the airport slots increases from March 2010, equivalent of 8 weekly round-trip reduction
*Due to slots issues at Tokyo Haneda and Narita, slots issuance for these two airports remains to be Government controlled
*Removal of restrictions of 5th freedom rights beyond each country (but approval from 3rd country remains required)
Both sides extended the talk by one extra day on Friday 10DEC09 due to an impasse regarding slots at both Tokyo airports, which has been an major setback for both parties for the past 4 talks in 2009. This week is the 5th talks for the year.
There will be approximately 40 International services at Tokyo Haneda starting Oct 2010, which half of these flights are operated by foreign carriers. Of these flights, 20 flights to be operated by Japanese carriers, 2 each for Korea, Singapore and Germany; 1 each for 6 countries including Canada and France. However, all flights can only operate between 2200 (or 2300) and 0700 LT, with exceptions to selected destinations in Asia, which allows daytime operation.
Anti-trust immunity is possible for the first time between the two countries. ANA has been studying intensified cooperation with Star Alliance partners UNITED and Continental which includes ATI. Application could be issued as early as this month and in effect from Oct 2010 if approved. On the other hand, the near-collapsing JAL is still undecided on its future alliance/partnership as both DELTA and American expressed interest to create/deepen the partnership, also includes ATI. It allows multiple carriers to coordinate their schedules, pricing, and marketing. In short, multiple carriers operating as a single airline if approved.
It should also be noted that this is the First full-scale open-skies deal for Japan with another foreign country. It has been pushing for a “smaller-scale” deal with other countries in the past due to slots issue at Tokyo airports.
airline schedule/codeshare/route updates
Japan/US signs landmark OpenSkies deal
leave a comment »
Japan and US has concluded an open skies deal, followed by the latest talk this week, which ended on Friday 10DEC09. The highlights of the deal includes (based on various Japanese media reports) :
*Unlimited flights, destinations for carriers from both sides between US and Japan, except Tokyo market.
*Unlimited operating carriers from each side
*ATI (anti-trust immunity) inclusion
*Up to 4 Daily service between US and Tokyo Haneda for US carriers
*US carriers’ slot shares at Tokyo Narita to lower from 28% to 25% once the airport slots increases from March 2010, equivalent of 8 weekly round-trip reduction
*Due to slots issues at Tokyo Haneda and Narita, slots issuance for these two airports remains to be Government controlled
*Removal of restrictions of 5th freedom rights beyond each country (but approval from 3rd country remains required)
Both sides extended the talk by one extra day on Friday 10DEC09 due to an impasse regarding slots at both Tokyo airports, which has been an major setback for both parties for the past 4 talks in 2009. This week is the 5th talks for the year.
There will be approximately 40 International services at Tokyo Haneda starting Oct 2010, which half of these flights are operated by foreign carriers. Of these flights, 20 flights to be operated by Japanese carriers, 2 each for Korea, Singapore and Germany; 1 each for 6 countries including Canada and France. However, all flights can only operate between 2200 (or 2300) and 0700 LT, with exceptions to selected destinations in Asia, which allows daytime operation.
Anti-trust immunity is possible for the first time between the two countries. ANA has been studying intensified cooperation with Star Alliance partners UNITED and Continental which includes ATI. Application could be issued as early as this month and in effect from Oct 2010 if approved. On the other hand, the near-collapsing JAL is still undecided on its future alliance/partnership as both DELTA and American expressed interest to create/deepen the partnership, also includes ATI. It allows multiple carriers to coordinate their schedules, pricing, and marketing. In short, multiple carriers operating as a single airline if approved.
It should also be noted that this is the First full-scale open-skies deal for Japan with another foreign country. It has been pushing for a “smaller-scale” deal with other countries in the past due to slots issue at Tokyo airports.
12-12-2009, 08:06 AM
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