Funk

You will have to explain a little on what problem we solved for management. Going back to 2020 and pilots that were on training pay from March through late fall, I watched the union give an answer at their UNA town hall on the question of whether they had engaged with the company on behalf of these pilots. The answer literally started with the phrase, “Well, as it’s clearly spelled out in the PWA . . . .” For anyone watching, it was basically an answer that the union hadn’t advocated for the plight of those pilots and it was a messaging fail that could have otherwise cultivated natural support for the union if the answer had been along the lines of, “we’ve engaged with the company on this issue and . . . .”

More recently some pilots have been on training pay while waiting on OE that may not even be scheduled until after they’ve gone back to the sim for an SRQ course (120 days post 44X). I think advocating for them to be paid flight pay sooner when it’s the company’s fault they haven’t been able to complete OE and convert is the right thing to do, period. I am open to understanding what we’ve solved for the company, but I am not as sympathetic about the idea of leaving the most junior pilots on extended training pay as sort of hostages to advance section 6 negotiations along faster.

Der Meister

Hey at least we are finally industry standard now that we pay for hotels and flight pay in New hire training its only 2022! We are so far behind everyone else is just sad.

HisDudenes5

First time being awarded trips with check airmen - how far in advance do they typically buy FOs off of trips for OE? Day prior? Week prior?

For 73N guys who have bid for trips with check airmen, are you getting bought off most/all of those trips? Thanks!

fishforfun

Standard answer from CS is 7pm night prior. I’ve talked to them twice and same answer each time. And just like magic I was getting released between 5 and 7pm. Evening shift comes on at 5pm is what I was told and they do the release for the following day on that shift.

TED74

If there’s an IROP going on, they often won’t process them the night prior. That’s as a matter of policy, not because they get overlooked.

3 green

I would expect around 50% of your trips to be bought off if you are lucky. By the time you figure in the LCA swapping the trip, simulator problems, student needing more sims, or no IOE needed that day of your trip. LCA bidding is a real art and the senior guys pretty well figure out which LCA to bid with. Some LCA get more IOE trips than others, like most things in life it's political..On the 88 they all bought a Christmas gift for the IOE planner and some guys bought him a really NICE gift. In return, they got more IOE trips. A lot of junior FO's get IOE trips because senior guys want weekends off. This is really the last good deal left at Delta and I anticipate ALPA will be willing to give it away on this contract like they tried to do on the previous one.

WhiskeyDog

It's actually up to crew scheduling's discretion, so be prepared to come in no matter what. I've had LCA fight crew scheds to get me released the day prior. I've had crew scheds tell me I wasn't "on the list" of people to be released. And I've had the standard 7pmish call being released. BL: Schedulers own the release, andthey don't have to do it. Another "we didn't think they'd do that" in our contract??
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Gone Flying

Just to be clear, we still don’t pay flight pay to new hires, we just have a timeframe in which they move off NH pay, instead of just OE complete.

DWC CAP10 USAF

This 100%!!!

JP1534

When does probation start, DOH or off IOE? Also does second year pay start on your DOH anniversary?