fishforfun

Have actual proof of this? That someone was out of position?

sailingfun

On a public forum? I have the word of the pilots who told me. Good enough for me. I have also flown with plenty of guys who freely admit they can’t make a 12 hour call out in the evening.

GogglesPisano

I doubt very much the pilot who was eventually assigned the trip felt he was “screwed.” When I’m assigned a trip on reserve I assume it was because a trip was uncovered and I was next in line. A lot of variables (FAR’s, phase of the moon...) can come into play and — as long as the PWA is complied with from my perspective — I don’t feel the I am being “ screwed” if I am assigned a trip.

If another pilot is out of position on long/short call, that’s a discussion between him and his CP. But with so many variables that come into play with reserve assignments (FAR’s, days of availability, RAW scores that look like differential equations...) I don’t think anyone feels they’re being “screwed” when called for a trip.

fishforfun

Yeah, if you’re on reserve and assume you’re not flying, that’s a problem. I have sat long call at home plenty of times but if I got to #4 on the list I was headed to my base assuming I was flying.

I have called scheduling when I wasn’t number 1 and asked why the coverage out of sequence. FAR violations was a frequent response but they always had a legit reason.

Sorry but I question the validity of this. With so little info given and after talking with so many guys that don’t understand the reserve system I have a hard time buying it. Could be a bunch of reasons they move to the next guy, especially if they are #2 on the list.

How is this getting screwed?

iaflyer

Sort of - you don't get the daily training rate for an Initial Training class - called "Qualification Training" in the PWA. You get 1/31 (or 30, depending on the month) of the ALV for each day of training.

Example: Assume the ALV is 76 and Feb had 30 days, training is 15 days. 15/30= 0.5 X ALV (76) = 38hrs pay for your training. Add the 50 from the flying/credit in Feb: 88 hrs of pay.

Buck Rogers

Sorry, point of clarification. Didn't some guys get fired/time off/ tit in the ringer for sitting short call in places like Bangkok or something?

Is this a real question or am we being trolled?

lavService

Is your buddy NY based? If he is, as a reserve you just have to be able to make it to one of the 3 airports within 12 hours. Imagine trying to cover 3 airports. On a Saturday I can make it to EWR on time but LGA and JFK have no early flights. I meet my 12 hour call out but realistically if they assign me a LGA or JFK trip I'll need 15 hours to make it to the airport I'm needed at. In that case I would have to notify scheduling that I'll be arriving in EWR and don't see a feasible way of making it to JFK or LGA in time for the departure. The company chooses to have us cover 3 bases not me. They can choose to delay the flight or move on to the next reserve. I met my commitment of being available within 12 hours. The same issue arises with the first 2 hours non-contactable on short-call. I have yet to be asked which airport I'm flying into when I request this provision.

sailingfun

This is completely incorrect. Please get a copy of the contract and the scheduling reference guide put out by the union. The exemption applies only to short call not long call.

A long call pilot: a. must be available for contact by Crew Scheduling at any time while on-call. b. must be able to report for an assigned rotation which reports no earlier than 12 hours from the first attempted contact by Crew Scheduling. c. can be converted to short call no earlier than 12 hours from the first attempted contact by Crew Scheduling and will be released from duty during the 12 hours immediately preceding the start of his short call period.

Here is the exemption:
Note: For NYC-based pilots, short-call availability may be measured from the pilot's closest co-terminal (EWR, LGA, JFK), without regard to the actual co-terminal to which he may be required to report. An NYC reserve pilot on short call who is assigned a rotation reporting in EWR will be reimbursed for up to $100 of actual transportation expenses to EWR. For LAX-based pilots, short-call availability is measured from LAX.

lavService

I learned something new. I recently flew with an ex chief pilot and was having a similar conversation on how to cover the 3 airports while on reserve with the given scenario. He told me not to worry too much about it. I still feel the intent (although it appears I'm wrong) is to be able to be able to make it to one of the 3 airports in a reasonable amount of time (which for long call would be 12 hours if you're flying in). Those living in PA and sitting short call can make it to EWR in 2 hours but on occasion it will take 4+ hours to make it to JFK. That's another situation that they'll move on to the next reserve to cover a JFK trip. It's NY, I think everyone is just happy you even try to show up. If they start handing out punishments for this guys will certainly bid away from NY even more than they do now. I haven't heard of anyone getting burned for the 12 hour callout.

badflaps

They need to give the NYC folk a COL allowance.