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APD and IVD perhaps but APD is unpaid and IVD is essentially unpaid because you are just shorting yourself later. If your intent is to drop to adjust your schedule these tools are a waste. Both APD and IVD days can't be used to pick up so you have to be stategic with using a single APD day which makes the other 3 APD days useless. IVD days are paid at vacation day value making them worth less than a trip of equal length and you lose pay and time off during your real vacation.
IVDs are yet one more optional tool available to us to make our lives just a bit better. I love them.
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You seem to be dismissing IVDs a bit too easily. They are one of the greatest improvements to the contract I've seen. Without going into details that only matter to me, I've used IVD's a couple of times to take days from a "throwaway" week of QVAC in January, and instead use them in far more important times of the year.
IVDs are yet one more optional tool available to us to make our lives just a bit better. I love them.
IVDs are yet one more optional tool available to us to make our lives just a bit better. I love them.
July ALVs were 83ish. That means some people were awarded up to 90ish hours. With 5 day trips especially, PDs would not be granted unless it’s M-F. The M-F trip is probably not one many would try to drop. The real problem is the lengthening of domestic trips to eliminate 1-2 days and diminish the quality of 3 days. That combined with tight staffing means you are stuck with your initial award. The one time fixes (APD or IVD) give you very limited usefulness in rearranging a schedule but are great for just unpaid time off. They are not vacation and don’t come with hours of pay.
Our system is making us fly more with less ability to adjust particularly during the summer. These are facts. I think the readers understand the vector we are on with regard to scheduling. I hope to change that. If you don’t, fine. More money doesn’t solve my problem of being overworked during the months I prefer to be off more.
Our system is making us fly more with less ability to adjust particularly during the summer. These are facts. I think the readers understand the vector we are on with regard to scheduling. I hope to change that. If you don’t, fine. More money doesn’t solve my problem of being overworked during the months I prefer to be off more.
You seem to be dismissing IVDs a bit too easily. They are one of the greatest improvements to the contract I've seen. Without going into details that only matter to me, I've used IVD's a couple of times to take days from a "throwaway" week of QVAC in January, and instead use them in far more important times of the year.
IVDs are yet one more optional tool available to us to make our lives just a bit better. I love them.
IVDs are yet one more optional tool available to us to make our lives just a bit better. I love them.
Denny
You seem to be dismissing IVDs a bit too easily. They are one of the greatest improvements to the contract I've seen. Without going into details that only matter to me, I've used IVD's a couple of times to take days from a "throwaway" week of QVAC in January, and instead use them in far more important times of the year.
IVDs are yet one more optional tool available to us to make our lives just a bit better. I love them.
IVDs are yet one more optional tool available to us to make our lives just a bit better. I love them.
Gonna put this out there as a public service announcement. This usage of an IVD is only effective when bidding reserve.
By strategically using a 1 day IVD from a vacation, you can increase your total days off by one day. Here is how. Take this August for example. I have a week of primary vacation. If I bid reserve with 7 days of vacation, I get 9 X days. If I used a one day IVD from that vacation in a different month I now have 6 days of vacation in August but, wait for it.......I now get 10 X days. Either way same total days off in August but an extra day off overall.... This doesn’t work every month but y’all get the idea......
Maybe you use that IVD and drop it right in the middle of a group of on call days and Voila! you now have a bunch of on call days that make it harder for CS to use you.
Denny
By strategically using a 1 day IVD from a vacation, you can increase your total days off by one day. Here is how. Take this August for example. I have a week of primary vacation. If I bid reserve with 7 days of vacation, I get 9 X days. If I used a one day IVD from that vacation in a different month I now have 6 days of vacation in August but, wait for it.......I now get 10 X days. Either way same total days off in August but an extra day off overall.... This doesn’t work every month but y’all get the idea......
Maybe you use that IVD and drop it right in the middle of a group of on call days and Voila! you now have a bunch of on call days that make it harder for CS to use you.
Denny
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It does take effort to make it happen but knowing the rules as a jr guy is a definite must for QOL.
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I disagree. It depends on your seniority. I am jr in category and I can’t get summer vacation nor do I get the best schedules. So I use my APD and IVDs to create summer vacations where they did not exist. I will create the time off I need then WS on my other off days. So far this summer through the creative use of these and the open board I have gone from being awarded schedules working almost every weekend to having most my weekends of and creating some vacation windows.
It does take effort to make it happen but knowing the rules as a jr guy is a definite must for QOL.
It does take effort to make it happen but knowing the rules as a jr guy is a definite must for QOL.
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I am shocked at how many pilots I fly with are completely unaware of IVDs. If you’re a line holder, it allows you to drop two additional trips with the same coverage rules as an APD. I think it’s great. I buy 4 extra days of vacation every year to solely use as IVDs.
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