Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-15-2019, 04:09 PM
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The low cost item thread is another thread. I didn't studder. I know it's costly. If every trip is worth more, and it will be, its the pay raise you want. I havent run the numbers across every fleet but it'd be huge on mine.
I deleted the history lesson. Firstly, im newer than you, but ive watched you all fumble with pay to get it more in line with what you want. Congrads, all us airline pilots have been there, it sucks. What i want are higher credits trips which will give us more days off (thats how it works). The company will respond with less 30hr overnights and less commutable trips. For junior bases, commutability turns out to be important for the company when it's a junior base and everyone bags out sick. Theyll say we will lose it, then miraculous, it comes back.
I commute, if i get 30 hrs i want it at home with my kids, not on the road. I dont mind coming in a day ahead of time, i pay for a crashpad.
Im one voice. If the pilot group doesnt want it, fine. But these trips credit value is laughable, it was just that in the past they were more laughable. The min day may seriously screw up the bargaining history and strategy delta alpa has sought, but it says a lot a real min day is already on the ask list so i doubt it.
Soft pay is also hard to take away during the next bankruptcy.
I deleted the history lesson. Firstly, im newer than you, but ive watched you all fumble with pay to get it more in line with what you want. Congrads, all us airline pilots have been there, it sucks. What i want are higher credits trips which will give us more days off (thats how it works). The company will respond with less 30hr overnights and less commutable trips. For junior bases, commutability turns out to be important for the company when it's a junior base and everyone bags out sick. Theyll say we will lose it, then miraculous, it comes back.
I commute, if i get 30 hrs i want it at home with my kids, not on the road. I dont mind coming in a day ahead of time, i pay for a crashpad.
Im one voice. If the pilot group doesnt want it, fine. But these trips credit value is laughable, it was just that in the past they were more laughable. The min day may seriously screw up the bargaining history and strategy delta alpa has sought, but it says a lot a real min day is already on the ask list so i doubt it.
Soft pay is also hard to take away during the next bankruptcy.
07-15-2019, 04:29 PM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2008
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Posts: 467
As has been alluded, a lot of us had holiday pay in our previous crappy regional. Was it ever in the Delta PWA? Was it lost during the bankruptcy concessions?
07-15-2019, 04:50 PM
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The low cost item thread is another thread. I didn't studder. I know it's costly. If every trip is worth more, and it will be, its the pay raise you want. I havent run the numbers across every fleet but it'd be huge on mine.
I deleted the history lesson. Firstly, im newer than you, but ive watched you all fumble with pay to get it more in line with what you want. Congrads, all us airline pilots have been there, it sucks. What i want are higher credits trips which will give us more days off (thats how it works). The company will respond with less 30hr overnights and less commutable trips. For junior bases, commutability turns out to be important for the company when it's a junior base and everyone bags out sick. Theyll say we will lose it, then miraculous, it comes back.
I commute, if i get 30 hrs i want it at home with my kids, not on the road. I dont mind coming in a day ahead of time, i pay for a crashpad.
Im one voice. If the pilot group doesnt want it, fine. But these trips credit value is laughable, it was just that in the past they were more laughable. The min day may seriously screw up the bargaining history and strategy delta alpa has sought, but it says a lot a real min day is already on the ask list so i doubt it.
Soft pay is also hard to take away during the next bankruptcy.
I deleted the history lesson. Firstly, im newer than you, but ive watched you all fumble with pay to get it more in line with what you want. Congrads, all us airline pilots have been there, it sucks. What i want are higher credits trips which will give us more days off (thats how it works). The company will respond with less 30hr overnights and less commutable trips. For junior bases, commutability turns out to be important for the company when it's a junior base and everyone bags out sick. Theyll say we will lose it, then miraculous, it comes back.
I commute, if i get 30 hrs i want it at home with my kids, not on the road. I dont mind coming in a day ahead of time, i pay for a crashpad.
Im one voice. If the pilot group doesnt want it, fine. But these trips credit value is laughable, it was just that in the past they were more laughable. The min day may seriously screw up the bargaining history and strategy delta alpa has sought, but it says a lot a real min day is already on the ask list so i doubt it.
Soft pay is also hard to take away during the next bankruptcy.
Now with regards to trip credit, I agree 100% with you. I would love high credit trips so I can be home more.
07-15-2019, 04:58 PM
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I know there is another thread about low cost items, pretty hard to not see this thread is not that. My point is, this might be a lot larger pot of money than all of us think it is. Also, there is no direct data point or information that shows this will help junior people get the holidays off.
Now with regards to trip credit, I agree 100% with you. I would love high credit trips so I can be home more.
Now with regards to trip credit, I agree 100% with you. I would love high credit trips so I can be home more.
Outvote me though, i may be the only guy that's gotten used to working for an airline.
Soft pay is extremely expensive, this will be the third time in 2 pages ive premptively or reactionarily made that point. I want a giant robust expensive contract for the company or else theyll simply set the money on fire instead.
07-15-2019, 05:10 PM
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Joined APC: Mar 2015
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Iv already said nothing wrong with asking for more $$.
Its the tinfoil hat crowd that rationalizes the holiday pay request as a way to modify and control pilots behaviors.
Its equally laffable to cite 'industry standard' and what out FAs have or dont have.
Comparative envy logic is stock and trade for the crowd you seem to belong to.
Just stand up and say you want more $$. For no other reason than you want it.
Honestly....you will find it very liberating.
Its the tinfoil hat crowd that rationalizes the holiday pay request as a way to modify and control pilots behaviors.
Its equally laffable to cite 'industry standard' and what out FAs have or dont have.
Comparative envy logic is stock and trade for the crowd you seem to belong to.
Just stand up and say you want more $$. For no other reason than you want it.
Honestly....you will find it very liberating.
07-16-2019, 04:12 AM
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07-16-2019, 04:17 AM
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I want more time off for the same money. I guess that's more money for my time. Holiday pay achieves that, either I get more time off or I get paid more for the holiday. I'm not sure what the heartburn is all about but our company has a list of days which everyone else gets paid more for working. That list should apply to us.
I would also discuss with the flight attendants how they get holiday pay. Hint: They don’t get it for the entire rotation in most cases unless it’s a turn.
07-16-2019, 04:23 AM
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It would be cheaper for the company than a 6 hour daily min. In either case it’s still going to completely change how rotations are built domestically. It will be a much more socialist bid package with trips starting earlier and ending later. Average trip length will get longer and turns will become extinct since you need long legs to get daily values up. It’s also going to be very expensive. I would rather have the money in pay rates and fly less if I choose.
07-16-2019, 06:00 AM
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Those other employees with the exception of the flight attendants also work about 20 days a month for far less then pilots get paid. It’s not normal at almost any company to pay highly compensated employees holiday pay.
I would also discuss with the flight attendants how they get holiday pay. Hint: They don’t get it for the entire rotation in most cases unless it’s a turn.
I would also discuss with the flight attendants how they get holiday pay. Hint: They don’t get it for the entire rotation in most cases unless it’s a turn.
Special Pay Day:
A Pilot shall receive Special Pay on January 1st, Martin Luther King Jr Day, July 4th, Memorial Day, fourth Thursday in November, and December 25th.
a. When the Pilot (or Instructor) is scheduled to work (including training) on a Special Pay Day designated in this Agreement, the Pilot shall be compensated at a rate of two (2) times the Pilot’s normal base rate of compensation for the scheduled or actual credit hours on that day or four (4) hours credit, whichever is greater.
b. Pilots required to layover on a Special Pay Day, but do not fly, will receive four hours (4:00) of Special Pay at their Regular Pay Rate. Pilots on reserve who do not fly will receive four hours (4:00) Special Pay at their Regular Pay Rate. If a Pilot is assigned a Secondary Pairing by Crew Services, any Special Pay in the Pairing will be guaranteed for the greater of the Pairing's Special Pay or what was actually flown on that day.
c. A Pilot in a training curriculum (at OSC) but not scheduled to train will receive four hours (4:00) of Special Pay at their Regular Pay Rate.
07-16-2019, 06:11 AM
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Those other employees with the exception of the flight attendants also work about 20 days a month for far less then pilots get paid. It’s not normal at almost any company to pay highly compensated employees holiday pay.
I would also discuss with the flight attendants how they get holiday pay. Hint: They don’t get it for the entire rotation in most cases unless it’s a turn.
I would also discuss with the flight attendants how they get holiday pay. Hint: They don’t get it for the entire rotation in most cases unless it’s a turn.
You want money, I want time off. Time off is worth more because it comes with discretion. Sometimes its worth multiples more but you get to decide how much.
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