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Old 07-09-2019, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by WakeWash
Sometimes I think this forum is full of children.
Thanks for your very adult input to the QOL inequality discussion....you explained your position beautifully! Well done Sir !
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Old 07-09-2019, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by DALMD88FO
I am senior in category still been getting inverse assignment calls. The company did the same thing in the 05-07 time frame before it became more economical to just hire more pilots. It became very tiring very quickly. For narrowbody pilots you knew when you were signing in but only had a vague idea when you'd be getting done with a rotation.
Are you saying being senior and getting Inverse Assignments calls are affecting your QOL? (I'm assuming you're not picking up the phone)

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Old 07-09-2019, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
Thanks for your very adult input to the QOL inequality discussion....you explained your position beautifully! Well done Sir !
I’m with wake on that one. You can disagree with the point made, but as per usual, you went off on a tail spin about how millennials/kids/newbs/snowflakes and all the other people that don’t see it through buck’s eyes are just plain stupid. Don't say, “Show me where I called anyone stupid.” You wouldn’t have been as absurd and long winded if you weren’t insinuating it.

I look forward to hearing a full analysis of my entitlement.
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Old 07-09-2019, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
Are you saying being senior and getting Inverse Assignments calls are affecting your QOL? (I'm assuming you're not picking up the phone)

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I do not pick up the phone, and although you say putting a trip on the the swap board or as a qualified drop will get picked up, that is not always the case. Especially if people know that the coverage is so low. Why pick up for straight pay when you can try to get double right.
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Old 07-09-2019, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Iceberg
I’m with wake on that one. You can disagree with the point made, but as per usual, you went off on a tail spin about how millennials/kids/newbs/snowflakes and all the other people that don’t see it through buck’s eyes are just plain stupid. Don't say, “Show me where I called anyone stupid.” You wouldn’t have been as absurd and long winded if you weren’t insinuating it.

I look forward to hearing a full analysis of my entitlement.
Well unfortunately, your reading comprehension skills need a tune up. I weighed in on a host of QOL issues. Other than seniority issues, there was no mention of the things you cited.

When you hired on did you know...1. What a seniority system is, and 2. where as a new hire you stood in that list? Did you understand those issues but expected to have the QOL issues that are inherent in such a system were going to get fixed to favor the "less" senior?

OBTW....you might look up humor. You may not have found it humorous but I entertained myself......and that's all that matters to me......because, as we all know.....senior guys are selfish because thy don't want to make your life better.....I'm just the typical, "I had to pay my dues and so should you".......is that about right?

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Old 07-09-2019, 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
Let's start a letter campaign to not only the company but also ALPA, informing them that the bottom 10% have a crappy QOL and from here on out refuse to fly on.......

One of these days I'm going to learn my lesson that the internet doesn't hear what you said, it hears what it wants to hear.
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Old 07-09-2019, 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by BobZ
If you hav a 90/10 split with your business partner id have to assume its reflective of a proportional ownership stake.

That....or you are a fool and your 'partner' knows it.

You have no such ownership in the corporation. You....are an employee. So beyond the PS cut and gains from stock positions....you enjoy no ownership position to 'share' in revenue and profits.

I question your lucidity with statements that delta has extracted financial gains as much from employees of the last 5 years as much as the last 25.
Sure, I'm an employee. But I'm also part of organized labor, and that brings with it some leverage that non-unionized employees are not afforded. Our group of 14,500 is not easily replaced, and the current business model yielding record success/profit won't work if we're not (almost) completely on board. If the company understands that it'll take more than cash flow (if I'm reading the tea leaves accurately) to KEEP us on board with our "backpacks on," that will (IMHO) affect the calculus of just how long we can run at redline or how much in the red.

Referencing TA1, I think management did, in fact, think we were fools and I'm glad in that instance we proved them wrong.

Referencing financial extraction, you misread my post or I mistyped. I'm not diminishing sacrifices made by those with 25 years. I was just highlighting the fact that new folks in any given year are probably (on average, with numerous exceptions) working more hours for Delta than the 25-year guys. 5 weeks of vacation, 270 hours of sick leave, seniority to maximize productivity, and doing everything for perhaps 3-5 times the hourly rate of a newbie... it's nice sitting at the top and I look forward to that perch in decades. Buck will tell you that I think we all deserve the same thing (and I look forward to other creations), but I don't. I just happen to think we're making enough money as a union that certain QOL enhancers that benefit the bottom more than the top could actually be palatable:

Have 6 days of paid APD
Reduce nonvoluntary max SC quantity to 6
Pay SC, used or unused, above guarantee
Pay for new hire hotels
Provide for free initial uniform allocation
Get rid of first year flat pay
End training pay at OE start
Mandate more frequent AE/base change opportunities (e.g., monthly)
Go back to 1 year seat lock for NH and waive it if going to higher pay rate
Create optional IQ and OE golden days
Limit the top of the LCW to 85 hours for those who choose that option
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Old 07-09-2019, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
Well unfortunately, your reading comprehension skills need a tune up. I weighed in on a host of QOL issues. Other than seniority issues, there was no mention of the things you cited.

When you hired on did you know...1. What a seniority system is, and 2. where as a new hire you stood in that list? Did you understand those issues but expected to have the QOL issues that are inherent in such a system were going to get fixed to favor the "less" senior?

OBTW....you might look up humor. You may not have found it humorous but I entertained myself......and that's all that matters to me......because, as we all know.....senior guys are selfish because thy don't want to make your life better.....I'm just the typical, "I had to pay my dues and so should you".......is that about right?
If you are the only one laughing, that doesn't make you funny.
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Old 07-09-2019, 06:45 PM
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Buck, did you purposefully quote yourself earlier, or did you think you were posting as an alter ego to present the image that people agree with you?
If the latter, how many alter egos do you have?
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Old 07-09-2019, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by TED74
One of these days I'm going to learn my lesson that the internet doesn't hear what you said, it hears what it wants to hear.
It takes a while, but that lesson will take eventually.
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