Jughead135

You could post the actual numbers for a more detailed answer. As Sailing posted, it should work....



However, a wrinkle is that the Super Bowl is one of the "APD Holidays"--they can deny a PD regardless of coverage. From what you describe, it probably won't work--because on those "holiday" periods, you have to get a day-by-day coverage that is worse (not the same) to make the swap. On non-holiday periods, there appears to be an exception (experience, I cannot point to a reference) for "same day" swaps; but not during the "holiday"--you would have to have a 3-day or greater trip to "cover" the one you have, even though only the single day is showing negative....



You could try: trading for that 1-day AND something that covers the other days (then drop the second trip you don't want). Trading for that 1-day AND something with a negative number somewhere (assumes you either want that 2nd trip or are willing to roll the dice that it will allow you to drop it down the road). Swap board?

ATL7ER

Actually, the language in PWA 23 that deals with the holidays, i.e. super bowl in this case, only refers to APD's being denied if it falls on a holiday. The section above it that deals with PD's does not mention the holiday thing. PWA 23.I.10 vs PWA 23.I.9. I successfully did a PD for a 4 day that spanned super bowl sunday just a few days ago. But when I did it, the reserve coverage on SB Sunday was above the required #. I think his PD should work.

Jughead135

23.V.5.b. is what you want to look at, not 23.I. And, it's not "just" on the holiday, it's 2 days before through 1 day after--it's any day(s) of the trip during those days affects the whole trip (i.e., the whole trip is treated as a "holiday" trip).


Your success with all positive days is not the same situation.

ATL7ER

I understand that, but as we were talking about APD holiday's, 23.I.10 says that the only drop that may be denied regardless of reserve coverage if it falls on a holiday, is a APD. A personal drop is not affected by the holiday restriction, only an authorized personal drop. His PD success/failure on Sunday will be a function of the formula you referred to, not due to APD holidays, since it's not an APD. Thats my only point.

RonRicco

C44 brought a resolution to end or limit the hospitality suite when they started their term 3 years ago. It was was met with a lot of pushback and nothing was ever done. The MC proposed limits later on in his term (after a few reps repeatedly had to “apologize” about their words or behaviors the previous night.) Again, it was met with a lot of pushback...

If the facts of this situation are as advertised, then it may be the catalyst that actually gets the MEC on board with change.

Jughead135

I see where we disconnected. It was a typo re the APD vs. PD. Per the OP, the day of his trip is negative, so a PD won't work, anyway. I'll edit my post to correct PD >> APD. Sorry for the confusion. [EDIT: Apparently, I won't edit my post, since there's now a 45 minute limit to that??]



Meanwhile, the OP's question was about SWP, which is affected by the language in 23.V.5.b.--and which probably won't work, because of the APD Holiday language.

RightSide

Thanks for the input everyone. Swapped worked even after scheduling said it wouldn’t go through.... Thanks for the help as always.

Baradium

SWP doesn't have anything to do with APDs, if the day is green the day is green. In his case he wasn't adding a duty period on the day that wasn't green, he was swapping out duty periods and dropping them on green days. That's all the system looks at.

RightSide

That’s what I was trying to tell scheduling, but they said sorry it won’t work. Good thing I didn’t listen and tried anyway.

sailingfun

Unless you are talking with a supervisor the information you get is not to be trusted!