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Old 09-12-2018, 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
So ...

1) Your projected training month is JAN, and

2) Your conversion month if MAR.

This means you can't be scheduled to finish sim training prior to FEB 16 -- otherwise you'd have to convert in FEB.

I'm guessing training really starts in late JAN. Correct?
Yes, but that date is a moving target until you are in class. My FEB training for a MAR conversion (2016 MOAB) was finally put on my schedule in MAY, then JUN and actually happened in JUL/AUG.
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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1
Ah, now I see your point. I think it's a little conspiracy theory-esque and pilot centric, but MAYBE you're right.
It’s not conspiracy theory, it’s actually a great business decision and that’s the plan. Take control of more capacity without adding any. It’s much easier to limit Delta’s growth than the subsidiary which has to answer to the other half of their shareholders.

I actually admire the efficiency of the future business plan but as a pilot group we have to realize the consequences and not make excuses or rationalize this as beneficial to the unionized pilots. We will eventually be only a fraction of the pilots flying for the Delta brand. Hello whipsaw. It’s already happened at the regional level. Don’t think it can’t happen here.
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Old 09-12-2018, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter
Yes, but that date is a moving target until you are in class. My FEB training for a MAR conversion (2016 MOAB) was finally put on my schedule in MAY, then JUN and actually happened in JUL/AUG.
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Old 09-12-2018, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
It’s not conspiracy theory, it’s actually a great business decision and that’s the plan. Take control of more capacity without adding any. It’s much easier to limit Delta’s growth than the subsidiary which has to answer to the other half of their shareholders.

I actually admire the efficiency of the future business plan but as a pilot group we have to realize the consequences and not make excuses or rationalize this as beneficial to the unionized pilots. We will eventually be only a fraction of the pilots flying for the Delta brand. Hello whipsaw. It’s already happened at the regional level. Don’t think it can’t happen here.
Haven’t we taken back a large amount of regional flying the last 5 years? How can you state we are only a fraction of the domestic flying?
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Old 09-12-2018, 11:01 AM
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Haven’t we taken back a large amount of regional flying the last 5 years? How can you state we are only a fraction of the domestic flying?
I think he's talking about regionals being whipsawed against each other and saying that we could be whipsawed against AM.
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Old 09-14-2018, 02:26 PM
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I was passed over for a GS. Does sick time count towards FAR flight time for the purposes of GS legality? Seem to remember that change in the last contract.
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Old 09-14-2018, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
I was passed over for a GS. Does sick time count towards FAR flight time for the purposes of GS legality? Seem to remember that change in the last contract.

Yep, sick trips count in your FAR calculations for GS and WS for the first time around the list. After one time through the fallout list you’re back to normal.
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Old 09-14-2018, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
I was passed over for a GS. Does sick time count towards FAR flight time for the purposes of GS legality? Seem to remember that change in the last contract.
If you call in sick during a month you try to GS, you go to the bottom of the list for GS. You will get your first before someone gets their second.

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Old 09-14-2018, 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
If you call in sick during a month you try to GS, you go to the bottom of the list for GS. You will get your first before someone gets their second.

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I think this is the bad rumor running around and it's even perpetuated by some schedulers.

If you call in sick, and the trip you would otherwise have flown WOULD HAVE made you ineligible or illegal for a GS, you go behind the others. It's not for the whole month. It doesn't penalize you for sicking out, it just doesn't allow you to use sick to enhance access to GS flying.
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Old 09-14-2018, 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by GuardPolice
Yep, sick trips count in your FAR calculations for GS and WS for the first time around the list. After one time through the fallout list you’re back to normal.
Thanks, GuardPolice.
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