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Old 07-27-2018, 08:12 AM
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Which is important because pilots who may have been able to hold a line if Sils had been awarded, are on reserve.
As a line holder in a SIL category, I would have bid for a 40 hr SIL in September. Someone junior to me will be on reserve instead of holding a line.
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Old 07-27-2018, 08:14 AM
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None of it?
Ok, thanks, SF!
She is a speaker and can't fly home any longer, but next time I see her I will tell her that she is wrong! Because some guy on a forum with 10K posts said so!
You don’t have to believe me. You can look at the union scope reports and or read our contract. The flying to Mexico has not decreased. I guess however you will take the word of a flight attendant over your union.
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Old 07-27-2018, 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter
As a line holder in a SIL category, I would have bid for a 40 hr SIL in September. Someone junior to me will be on reserve instead of holding a line.
Huh? Someone is going to hold that line you didn't get when you took the month off.
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Old 07-27-2018, 09:06 AM
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I think voluntary SILs are a net benefit to the Pilot group as a whole but if the company blows off our PWA then DALPA is correct in pulling them down.

As I said RCC inputs have always basically been requests, not really inputs, but if they have sufficient manning to honor them but still don’t, then by all means shut them down.

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Old 07-27-2018, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Hawaii50
Huh? Someone is going to hold that line you didn't get when you took the month off.
No, they would have held a line instead of reserve IF we still had SILs.

We pulled them down (for good reason), so I will be flying a line in September. Someone junior to me could have had a line instead of reserve if I was at home on a SIL instead of flying 75 hours in Sept. The point is that SILs aren't automatically bad for pilots on reserve. Some of them would be lineholders instead of reserve, because pilots senior to them are out on a SIL.
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Old 07-27-2018, 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
I think voluntary SILs are a net benefit to the Pilot group as a whole but if the company blows off our PWA then DALPA is correct in pulling them down.
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Absolutely correct. The company killed SILs, not DALPA.
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Old 07-27-2018, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
...but RCC “inputs” have always been nothing more than suggestions.

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In this respect, they're actually pretty useful. If anyone has any question where management's loyalties lie and how much they value the Delta family members, look there.

DALPA says "We're whipped, qol is going down the tubes and pilots have had enough of running on all cylinders without much to show for it. These RCC inputs are how you can give us all a teeny bit of qol back, so we can keep our backpacks on and go get you that JD Power award you covet."

Management says: "Pound sand."

Copy. See you in section 6. Good luck with that sick leave problem, rising fuel costs and the pending training churn.
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Old 07-27-2018, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter
No, they would have held a line instead of reserve IF we still had SILs.

We pulled them down (for good reason), so I will be flying a line in September. Someone junior to me could have had a line instead of reserve if I was at home on a SIL instead of flying 75 hours in Sept. The point is that SILs aren't automatically bad for pilots on reserve. Some of them would be lineholders instead of reserve, because pilots senior to them are out on a SIL.
I think we're saying the same thing. Choice is good for the group. More people who potentially could have had a line when someone senior bid a SIL are stuck on reserve now that we don't have them. I don't really have an opinion on why they were pulled down. I'll have to take the union's word on it.
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Old 07-27-2018, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Hawaii50
I don't really have an opinion on why they were pulled down. I'll have to take the union's word on it.
It would have been interesting to see exactly how the discussion with the company went down over the SILs. I hope our reps acted with a sense of respect and dignity and didn't just walk in making demands "or else". I wonder if a less militant MEC may have been able to pull off the negotiation for improvements to QOL in exchange for keeping SILs alive?
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It would have been interesting to see exactly how the discussion with the company went down over the SILs. I hope our reps acted with a sense of respect and dignity and didn't just walk in making demands "or else". I wonder if a less militant MEC may have been able to pull off the negotiation for improvements to QOL in exchange for keeping SILs alive?
Agree completely. And what was the timeline, did the company come to the MEC and ask for 'permission' to award SILs and the MEC said "nope" and the company just went ahead and awarded them anyway?

Or was the MEC never even consulted before they were awarded?
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