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09-19-2017, 04:23 AM
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Do you know if the trips dropped during my shadow period will be paid at my pre-conversion rate?
The way I read the contract reference it was the greater of tripped dropped during a pilot's shadow period where he/she is not yet qualified or the scheduled OE.
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The way I read the contract reference it was the greater of tripped dropped during a pilot's shadow period where he/she is not yet qualified or the scheduled OE.
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09-19-2017, 04:24 AM
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09-19-2017, 04:28 AM
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Great system for whom? There is a wide variance across most (if not all) categories with regards to how much pilots WANT to fly while on reserve. Normalizing this and treating everyone identically degrades quality of life at both ends of the spectrum. I'm happy to insert language to avoid reserve pilots going to the sim for bounces (Maybe pecking order changes when one doesn't have required T/O and Lands at 60 day mark? Maybe different categories need different systems?). It's just silly to have one pilot sit in a self-funded hotel while another who wants to be in his own bed is off flying around the world instead.
"Pre" bucket system. Two pilots are on reserve. Pilot A has a RAW score of 70 and does not wish to fly, while Pilot B has a RAW score of 71 and does wish to fly, and has submitted a YS to that end. Under this pre-bucket system, which we had for several years, pilot A would have been awarded a trip to fly, and pilot B would not have, even though a one point difference in RAW score is pretty much statistically meaningless.
After quite a few legitimate complaints, we came up with the bucket system. Up to 80 points of RAW and all pilots are in the same bucket one, etc for higher RAW scores. This ensures that the company gets some flexibility (no instances of senior pilot A flying zero, while junior pilot B flies 90 hours) while also giving the pilots some flexibility.
I think it a pretty good tradeoff. As someone who lives local and occasionally bids reserve myself, I think that any improvement to reserve should focus on some sort of bonus pay after a certain number of SCs, not just a microscopic increase to your RAW score like we have now.
09-19-2017, 04:42 AM
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I think you misunderstand my way of thinking, although maybe I just have poor reading comprehension. I am happy to point to ANY historic contract and identify ways reserve used to be better than it is now, then set that as a goal to be met or exceeded in C2019. Also happy to look to competitors reserve ADVANTAGES for inspiration. Since I don't work for management, I myself won't cite the ways in which our competitors have it worse.
Guys can clearly bring up ways things used to be. When those things were worse than what we have now, though, they lower expectations (in my humble opinion). All of this is psych 101, mirroring why our opener needs to greatly exceed our desired end state. Folks claiming that our reserve only needs minor changes increase the likelihood that such minor changes are all we'll get (if we get any at all). In my personal experience, those types of bar-lowering history lessons come from pilots who don't sit reserve much and/or don't expect to going forward. Naturally, it's their right to seek to minimize contractual improvements from which they won't benefit in hopes of maximizing those from which they will.
Guys can clearly bring up ways things used to be. When those things were worse than what we have now, though, they lower expectations (in my humble opinion). All of this is psych 101, mirroring why our opener needs to greatly exceed our desired end state. Folks claiming that our reserve only needs minor changes increase the likelihood that such minor changes are all we'll get (if we get any at all). In my personal experience, those types of bar-lowering history lessons come from pilots who don't sit reserve much and/or don't expect to going forward. Naturally, it's their right to seek to minimize contractual improvements from which they won't benefit in hopes of maximizing those from which they will.
You'll have to point me in the direction of the posts that say we only need minor changes....Anyway, we all want the same things.......more money and more time off!
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09-19-2017, 06:45 AM
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09-19-2017, 07:25 AM
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09-19-2017, 07:51 AM
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Ok, I know I should be able to find this in the contract, but answers seem to come quicker here. Am I allowed to book positive space company business to commute to an in-base TOE trip?
09-19-2017, 08:08 AM
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09-19-2017, 09:06 AM
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We negotiated Short Call Credit (SCC) in C2016 which was 'an improvement'. But I think we can all agree that it doesn't really affect how often we are assigned SC. I also realize that the company won't budge if it'll cost them money or restrict their ability to assign SC.
How about SCC #1 = 1 hr. credit toward reserve guarantee
SCC #2 = 2 hrs credit, SCC #3 = 3 hrs credit, SCC #4 = 4 hrs.
SCC # 5, 6, and 7 (for those categories that have it) = 5:15 hrs.
I understand the need for SC, however if assigned SC and not used 5+ times in a month, I think they're using it a little excessively.
Other's thoughts?
09-19-2017, 10:44 AM
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We negotiated Short Call Credit (SCC) in C2016 which was 'an improvement'. But I think we can all agree that it doesn't really affect how often we are assigned SC. I also realize that the company won't budge if it'll cost them money or restrict their ability to assign SC.
How about SCC #1 = 1 hr. credit toward reserve guarantee
SCC #2 = 2 hrs credit, SCC #3 = 3 hrs credit, SCC #4 = 4 hrs.
SCC # 5, 6, and 7 (for those categories that have it) = 5:15 hrs.
I understand the need for SC, however if assigned SC and not used 5+ times in a month, I think they're using it a little excessively.
Other's thoughts?
We negotiated Short Call Credit (SCC) in C2016 which was 'an improvement'. But I think we can all agree that it doesn't really affect how often we are assigned SC. I also realize that the company won't budge if it'll cost them money or restrict their ability to assign SC.
How about SCC #1 = 1 hr. credit toward reserve guarantee
SCC #2 = 2 hrs credit, SCC #3 = 3 hrs credit, SCC #4 = 4 hrs.
SCC # 5, 6, and 7 (for those categories that have it) = 5:15 hrs.
I understand the need for SC, however if assigned SC and not used 5+ times in a month, I think they're using it a little excessively.
Other's thoughts?
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