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Who is the Chief Pilot for the MSP base?
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My question: How does this new language apply to someone who was hired Dec 1, 2015-Dec 1, 2016 (or anyone still under their 12-mo NH seat lock as of date-of-implementation)? If this person's seat lock is up in May, they are under the old one-year AC seat lock and should have absolutely no lock after their initial 12 months. The whole '...last 12 months...' language shouldn't apply to anyone hired before the implementation date. For them it's 12-months-and-done.
If I understand it correctly, anyone hired after the company implements 22.G (NLT 5/2017) will have the new 24 month NH seat lock with the 12 month 'out clause'.
If I understand it correctly, anyone hired after the company implements 22.G (NLT 5/2017) will have the new 24 month NH seat lock with the 12 month 'out clause'.
Bentwookie said his /her freeze expired next fall. Therefore, he/she will still be seat-locked on May 2, 2017 (the latest date, per the MOU, that the new language will go into effect). Therefore, he/she will be in the last 12 months of his/her seat freeze (only had 12 months to begin with) so the new provision will apply. The company did not include limiting language that restricted this provision only to those hired, say, after December 1st.
Bentwookie's question is identical to Example 3 in 22.G of the new PWA.
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You understand correctly.
Bentwookie said his /her freeze expired next fall. Therefore, he/she will still be seat-locked on May 2, 2017 (the latest date, per the MOU, that the new language will go into effect). Therefore, he/she will be in the last 12 months of his/her seat freeze (only had 12 months to begin with) so the new provision will apply. The company did not include limiting language that restricted this provision only to those hired, say, after December 1st.
Bentwookie's question is identical to Example 3 in 22.G of the new PWA.
Bentwookie said his /her freeze expired next fall. Therefore, he/she will still be seat-locked on May 2, 2017 (the latest date, per the MOU, that the new language will go into effect). Therefore, he/she will be in the last 12 months of his/her seat freeze (only had 12 months to begin with) so the new provision will apply. The company did not include limiting language that restricted this provision only to those hired, say, after December 1st.
Bentwookie's question is identical to Example 3 in 22.G of the new PWA.
Q: I am a new hire, and was hired in the previous 12 months. Will the new 24 month category freeze be applicable to me?
A: Changes to Section 22 G.2 will only be applicable to those pilots hired after date of signing.
Also note the actual language:
2. An entry level pilot will incur a 24-month category freeze. Exception two: A pilot who is in the last 12 months of such category freeze may be awarded an AE or VD to another base for which qualification training is required if he is unable to be awarded an AE or VD to such base in his current position in a given posting. In such event, the balance of his existing category freeze will be added to the category freeze
The placement of the exception and the terms "such category freeze" and "last 12 months" don't seem to support anything other then application to pilots under the new freeze.
Three days under the new PWA and we already have an interpretation/implementation issue. Gotta love APC. You guys are arguing FOR the pilots, right?
This will continue to be entertaining. And I thought I'd quit reading after the PWA. Popcorn anyone? My prediction is sailing will take a company line on all these issues.
This will continue to be entertaining. And I thought I'd quit reading after the PWA. Popcorn anyone? My prediction is sailing will take a company line on all these issues.
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Three days under the new PWA and we already have an interpretation/implementation issue. Gotta love APC. You guys are arguing FOR the pilots, right?
This will continue to be entertaining. And I thought I'd quit reading after the PWA. Popcorn anyone? My prediction is sailing will take a company line on all these issues.
This will continue to be entertaining. And I thought I'd quit reading after the PWA. Popcorn anyone? My prediction is sailing will take a company line on all these issues.
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Ain't contracts fun? 😆
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Actually, I think the pilot-friendly interpretation would be allowing any new hire with less than 12 months of seat freeze remaining to avail themselves of the new provision not just those who have incurred a 24 month freeze.
Isn't that what he was arguing? Now I'm confused.
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