Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-04-2016, 08:38 AM
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07-04-2016, 08:49 AM
Otto
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I didn't ask because I missed a flight or anything. I have been hawking that route for some family nonrev later this month and was just surprised when I saw S2 with DS and not DL next to it.
07-04-2016, 09:17 AM
seeing the large hubs...
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Search S5 and Airline and looks like it's Shuttle America...
DS is Delta Global Services, Unknown is usually a Zed fare.
07-04-2016, 09:40 AM
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07-04-2016, 10:29 AM
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I read a most excellent and timely 4th of july post:
When I was a kid trying to decide if I wanted to pursue an airline piloting career, there were two things that motivated me to spend all my hard earned money on flying lessons:
1. Time Off
2. Money
Our concessions over the past 15 years have removed both of those motivating factors for any 25yr old kid thinking about spending 40 years chasing 'the dream'.
What's the dream today? Being away from home 18 days a month? Put all your retirement eggs in the stock market and hope it doesn't crash for 40 years?
My step dad was a part 135 chief pilot and had a J3 cub, he taught me to fly all the way up through my Ins/Multi/Commercial/ATP tickets, but he never had any time off, or money, because of his job as a part 135 CP/ops manager. I knew I didn't want to do that for the rest of my life. He did however have several friends who were North East/Delta pilots, they were like uncles to me and I saw the kind of money they were making, the boats/airplanes/lake homes they had, and they had the time off to enjoy them. Remember when working 12 days a month was a normal 75hour line? Remember when you could touch two of your 4 day trips with one week of vacation and you'd be off 3 weeks that month?
Today the industry has been restructured into what Richard likes to call a Major Industrial with 20% yields and all that good stuff. But how much of these record billions in earnings have come straight out of OUR concessions since 2004? PBS has saved them hiring 20% more pilots. Eliminating our DB plan as saved them at least $2 Billion per year. Eliminating weeks of vacation, and getting rid of trips touching vacations has saved them more millions and hiring fewer pilots. Closing the smaller bases, combining 767ER with domestic, all the other little cuts here and there and it adds up to 40 years of busting your ass... for what? So Ed can buy a Tesla and a second condo? So they can use the billions in our former pay/retirement plans to buy back more stock?
The over reaching and greed of the stock option compensated management teams who chose to outsource 50% of our domestic flying operations to minimum wage RJ operators are to blame for the destruction of this career path. They can fix it by restoring the job to what it once was, the job that kids wanted to do.
All it takes is, More Money, More Time Off.
Oh, I have a 23yr old son, I started teaching him to fly 16 years ago, when I could afford a J3 Cub. After our 32% pay cut I had to sell it so his free lessons stopped. To rent a C172 today is $170/hr at my local field. Yeah, not happening. He's about to get engaged to a very nice girl who's dad is a high school principal. Now my son wants to be a teacher. Why? Time off. Her dad is home every day after 4, every weekend, holiday, and two months in the summer. I was at a cookout yesterday at her Dad's house. He had lots of people there, as he has lots of local friends. I thought to myself, I've never had this many local friends in my life! We forget what we give up when we live in motels 12-15 days a month. My son wants that lifestyle, not mine. He's seen the money I've lost, and the time at home I don't have. My older and younger brothers said the same thing when I was flying cancelled checks all night and flying charters on the weekends, "You're nuts!, you've missed all the best parties, if my boss told me I had to fly over New Year's Eve I'd tell him to shove it!".
I've never forgotten what it took to get me to where I am today. I guess that's why I still give a **** about restoring our pay/benefits. That some of our own here, even some of our negotiators are on management's side of the pay/benefit restoration argument is beyond me. Have they forgotten what we already gave up?
When I was a kid trying to decide if I wanted to pursue an airline piloting career, there were two things that motivated me to spend all my hard earned money on flying lessons:
1. Time Off
2. Money
Our concessions over the past 15 years have removed both of those motivating factors for any 25yr old kid thinking about spending 40 years chasing 'the dream'.
What's the dream today? Being away from home 18 days a month? Put all your retirement eggs in the stock market and hope it doesn't crash for 40 years?
My step dad was a part 135 chief pilot and had a J3 cub, he taught me to fly all the way up through my Ins/Multi/Commercial/ATP tickets, but he never had any time off, or money, because of his job as a part 135 CP/ops manager. I knew I didn't want to do that for the rest of my life. He did however have several friends who were North East/Delta pilots, they were like uncles to me and I saw the kind of money they were making, the boats/airplanes/lake homes they had, and they had the time off to enjoy them. Remember when working 12 days a month was a normal 75hour line? Remember when you could touch two of your 4 day trips with one week of vacation and you'd be off 3 weeks that month?
Today the industry has been restructured into what Richard likes to call a Major Industrial with 20% yields and all that good stuff. But how much of these record billions in earnings have come straight out of OUR concessions since 2004? PBS has saved them hiring 20% more pilots. Eliminating our DB plan as saved them at least $2 Billion per year. Eliminating weeks of vacation, and getting rid of trips touching vacations has saved them more millions and hiring fewer pilots. Closing the smaller bases, combining 767ER with domestic, all the other little cuts here and there and it adds up to 40 years of busting your ass... for what? So Ed can buy a Tesla and a second condo? So they can use the billions in our former pay/retirement plans to buy back more stock?
The over reaching and greed of the stock option compensated management teams who chose to outsource 50% of our domestic flying operations to minimum wage RJ operators are to blame for the destruction of this career path. They can fix it by restoring the job to what it once was, the job that kids wanted to do.
All it takes is, More Money, More Time Off.
Oh, I have a 23yr old son, I started teaching him to fly 16 years ago, when I could afford a J3 Cub. After our 32% pay cut I had to sell it so his free lessons stopped. To rent a C172 today is $170/hr at my local field. Yeah, not happening. He's about to get engaged to a very nice girl who's dad is a high school principal. Now my son wants to be a teacher. Why? Time off. Her dad is home every day after 4, every weekend, holiday, and two months in the summer. I was at a cookout yesterday at her Dad's house. He had lots of people there, as he has lots of local friends. I thought to myself, I've never had this many local friends in my life! We forget what we give up when we live in motels 12-15 days a month. My son wants that lifestyle, not mine. He's seen the money I've lost, and the time at home I don't have. My older and younger brothers said the same thing when I was flying cancelled checks all night and flying charters on the weekends, "You're nuts!, you've missed all the best parties, if my boss told me I had to fly over New Year's Eve I'd tell him to shove it!".
I've never forgotten what it took to get me to where I am today. I guess that's why I still give a **** about restoring our pay/benefits. That some of our own here, even some of our negotiators are on management's side of the pay/benefit restoration argument is beyond me. Have they forgotten what we already gave up?
07-04-2016, 10:36 AM
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Give credit to the man, the myth, the legend
I read a most excellent and timely 4th of july post:
When I was a kid trying to decide if I wanted to pursue an airline piloting career, there were two things that motivated me to spend all my hard earned money on flying lessons:
1. Time Off
2. Money
Our concessions over the past 15 years have removed both of those motivating factors for any 25yr old kid thinking about spending 40 years chasing 'the dream'.
What's the dream today? Being away from home 18 days a month? Put all your retirement eggs in the stock market and hope it doesn't crash for 40 years?
My step dad was a part 135 chief pilot and had a J3 cub, he taught me to fly all the way up through my Ins/Multi/Commercial/ATP tickets, but he never had any time off, or money, because of his job as a part 135 CP/ops manager. I knew I didn't want to do that for the rest of my life. He did however have several friends who were North East/Delta pilots, they were like uncles to me and I saw the kind of money they were making, the boats/airplanes/lake homes they had, and they had the time off to enjoy them. Remember when working 12 days a month was a normal 75hour line? Remember when you could touch two of your 4 day trips with one week of vacation and you'd be off 3 weeks that month?
Today the industry has been restructured into what Richard likes to call a Major Industrial with 20% yields and all that good stuff. But how much of these record billions in earnings have come straight out of OUR concessions since 2004? PBS has saved them hiring 20% more pilots. Eliminating our DB plan as saved them at least $2 Billion per year. Eliminating weeks of vacation, and getting rid of trips touching vacations has saved them more millions and hiring fewer pilots. Closing the smaller bases, combining 767ER with domestic, all the other little cuts here and there and it adds up to 40 years of busting your ass... for what? So Ed can buy a Tesla and a second condo? So they can use the billions in our former pay/retirement plans to buy back more stock?
The over reaching and greed of the stock option compensated management teams who chose to outsource 50% of our domestic flying operations to minimum wage RJ operators are to blame for the destruction of this career path. They can fix it by restoring the job to what it once was, the job that kids wanted to do.
All it takes is, More Money, More Time Off.
Oh, I have a 23yr old son, I started teaching him to fly 16 years ago, when I could afford a J3 Cub. After our 32% pay cut I had to sell it so his free lessons stopped. To rent a C172 today is $170/hr at my local field. Yeah, not happening. He's about to get engaged to a very nice girl who's dad is a high school principal. Now my son wants to be a teacher. Why? Time off. Her dad is home every day after 4, every weekend, holiday, and two months in the summer. I was at a cookout yesterday at her Dad's house. He had lots of people there, as he has lots of local friends. I thought to myself, I've never had this many local friends in my life! We forget what we give up when we live in motels 12-15 days a month. My son wants that lifestyle, not mine. He's seen the money I've lost, and the time at home I don't have. My older and younger brothers said the same thing when I was flying cancelled checks all night and flying charters on the weekends, "You're nuts!, you've missed all the best parties, if my boss told me I had to fly over New Year's Eve I'd tell him to shove it!".
I've never forgotten what it took to get me to where I am today. I guess that's why I still give a **** about restoring our pay/benefits. That some of our own here, even some of our negotiators are on management's side of the pay/benefit restoration argument is beyond me. Have they forgotten what we already gave up?
When I was a kid trying to decide if I wanted to pursue an airline piloting career, there were two things that motivated me to spend all my hard earned money on flying lessons:
1. Time Off
2. Money
Our concessions over the past 15 years have removed both of those motivating factors for any 25yr old kid thinking about spending 40 years chasing 'the dream'.
What's the dream today? Being away from home 18 days a month? Put all your retirement eggs in the stock market and hope it doesn't crash for 40 years?
My step dad was a part 135 chief pilot and had a J3 cub, he taught me to fly all the way up through my Ins/Multi/Commercial/ATP tickets, but he never had any time off, or money, because of his job as a part 135 CP/ops manager. I knew I didn't want to do that for the rest of my life. He did however have several friends who were North East/Delta pilots, they were like uncles to me and I saw the kind of money they were making, the boats/airplanes/lake homes they had, and they had the time off to enjoy them. Remember when working 12 days a month was a normal 75hour line? Remember when you could touch two of your 4 day trips with one week of vacation and you'd be off 3 weeks that month?
Today the industry has been restructured into what Richard likes to call a Major Industrial with 20% yields and all that good stuff. But how much of these record billions in earnings have come straight out of OUR concessions since 2004? PBS has saved them hiring 20% more pilots. Eliminating our DB plan as saved them at least $2 Billion per year. Eliminating weeks of vacation, and getting rid of trips touching vacations has saved them more millions and hiring fewer pilots. Closing the smaller bases, combining 767ER with domestic, all the other little cuts here and there and it adds up to 40 years of busting your ass... for what? So Ed can buy a Tesla and a second condo? So they can use the billions in our former pay/retirement plans to buy back more stock?
The over reaching and greed of the stock option compensated management teams who chose to outsource 50% of our domestic flying operations to minimum wage RJ operators are to blame for the destruction of this career path. They can fix it by restoring the job to what it once was, the job that kids wanted to do.
All it takes is, More Money, More Time Off.
Oh, I have a 23yr old son, I started teaching him to fly 16 years ago, when I could afford a J3 Cub. After our 32% pay cut I had to sell it so his free lessons stopped. To rent a C172 today is $170/hr at my local field. Yeah, not happening. He's about to get engaged to a very nice girl who's dad is a high school principal. Now my son wants to be a teacher. Why? Time off. Her dad is home every day after 4, every weekend, holiday, and two months in the summer. I was at a cookout yesterday at her Dad's house. He had lots of people there, as he has lots of local friends. I thought to myself, I've never had this many local friends in my life! We forget what we give up when we live in motels 12-15 days a month. My son wants that lifestyle, not mine. He's seen the money I've lost, and the time at home I don't have. My older and younger brothers said the same thing when I was flying cancelled checks all night and flying charters on the weekends, "You're nuts!, you've missed all the best parties, if my boss told me I had to fly over New Year's Eve I'd tell him to shove it!".
I've never forgotten what it took to get me to where I am today. I guess that's why I still give a **** about restoring our pay/benefits. That some of our own here, even some of our negotiators are on management's side of the pay/benefit restoration argument is beyond me. Have they forgotten what we already gave up?
07-04-2016, 11:26 AM
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^^^^Post of the day if I ever saw it!^^^^
07-04-2016, 12:37 PM
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Scambo, I remember all that, now I'm paying for it till the end of my time. (Red and white c/l lights in sight.)
07-04-2016, 04:45 PM
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07-04-2016, 04:56 PM
Da Hudge
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Just a warning about becoming a teacher... sure you get summers off, but it's not good pay for all the education you have to have and a tremendous amount of unpaid hours. LOOONG hours during the school year.
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