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06-12-2016, 09:10 AM
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Nope....simply read the PWA (big, long and boring therefore a lot to ask, I know). Herkflyr is kind of right, but for the wrong reason.
In your scenario, Pilot A is asking for something that does not exist under our PWA - a GSWC on reserve. You need to look at 23.N.25 (trip coverage greater than 12 hours) and 23.O.21. (trip coverage less than 12 hours). In each case, a reserve pilot on X days gets an IAWC before a line holder gets a GSWC. Ergo, it would be superfluous for a reserve pilot to submit a GSWC on a transition trip where that pilot alao holds a regular line in the next bid because he/she would have to be be awarded the trip on an IAWC before a regular line pilot received a GSWC.
In your scenario, Pilot A is asking for something that does not exist under our PWA - a GSWC on reserve. You need to look at 23.N.25 (trip coverage greater than 12 hours) and 23.O.21. (trip coverage less than 12 hours). In each case, a reserve pilot on X days gets an IAWC before a line holder gets a GSWC. Ergo, it would be superfluous for a reserve pilot to submit a GSWC on a transition trip where that pilot alao holds a regular line in the next bid because he/she would have to be be awarded the trip on an IAWC before a regular line pilot received a GSWC.
06-12-2016, 10:19 AM
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Oddly, it would be interesting to see if an out-of-base reserve pilot on golden days could get a carry-out trip that conflicts with a next month trip based on the language of 23.O.23. That is clearly an unintended consequence of poor contract drafting in that your in-base reserve pilot on an (*) day gets bypassed but an out-of-base reserve pilot on an (*) day appears to be eligible. The drafters should have kept the contract language parallel but they didn't and here we are.
06-12-2016, 04:58 PM
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You are correct but, again, it can't happen under our current contract language. The Negotiating Committee needs to modify 23.N.26 and 23.O.22 to read "Pilots who have submitted GSWCs" rather than "Regular pilots who have submitted GSWCs..." in order for the unicorn to appear.
Oddly, it would be interesting to see if an out-of-base reserve pilot on golden days could get a carry-out trip that conflicts with a next month trip based on the language of 23.O.23. That is clearly an unintended consequence of poor contract drafting in that your in-base reserve pilot on an (*) day gets bypassed but an out-of-base reserve pilot on an (*) day appears to be eligible. The drafters should have kept the contract language parallel but they didn't and here we are.
Oddly, it would be interesting to see if an out-of-base reserve pilot on golden days could get a carry-out trip that conflicts with a next month trip based on the language of 23.O.23. That is clearly an unintended consequence of poor contract drafting in that your in-base reserve pilot on an (*) day gets bypassed but an out-of-base reserve pilot on an (*) day appears to be eligible. The drafters should have kept the contract language parallel but they didn't and here we are.
On a side note: I do miss out of base white slips going before reserves.
06-13-2016, 07:21 AM
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Trip dropped...what now?
If you want to green slip, is it a GS or GSWC that you have to put in for? Is the GS still double pay, that is, double pay on top of pay protection for dropped OE trip?
06-13-2016, 07:48 AM
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For regular line holders, GS is double pay. GSWC is single pay for the trip you pick up plus single pay for the trip that got dropped.
If you got a 2 day GSWC on the 1st and 2nd and it conflicted with a 5 day trip that was 2-6th it would pay a minimum of 36:45 (10:30+26:15) and you would only have to work the 2 day trip and would now be off on the 3rd-6th. If you picked up a 4 day GS on the 3rd-6th it would pay a minimum of 42:00 and you would make at least 78:45 for 6 days off work.
If you get pulled from a trip for OE and then you GS it is at double pay.
06-13-2016, 07:59 AM
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In the 21st century, it would seem to be an easy fix to allow reserve pilots to check a box for each day of reserve to "defer to OOBWS". Then reserve pilots who want to fly (commuters?) can do so, and those who want to stay home can let out of base white slippers have a shot.
06-13-2016, 08:16 AM
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If you only want to work on you days off then it's a GS (double pay). If you want to work on your days off and you don't mind if it conflicts with a regular trip on your schedule it's a GSWC.
For regular line holders, GS is double pay. GSWC is single pay for the trip you pick up plus single pay for the trip that got dropped.
If you got a 2 day GSWC on the 1st and 2nd and it conflicted with a 5 day trip that was 2-6th it would pay a minimum of 36:45 (10:30+26:15) and you would only have to work the 2 day trip and would now be off on the 3rd-6th. If you picked up a 4 day GS on the 3rd-6th it would pay a minimum of 42:00 and you would make at least 78:45 for 6 days off work.
If you get pulled from a trip for OE and then you GS it is at double pay.
For regular line holders, GS is double pay. GSWC is single pay for the trip you pick up plus single pay for the trip that got dropped.
If you got a 2 day GSWC on the 1st and 2nd and it conflicted with a 5 day trip that was 2-6th it would pay a minimum of 36:45 (10:30+26:15) and you would only have to work the 2 day trip and would now be off on the 3rd-6th. If you picked up a 4 day GS on the 3rd-6th it would pay a minimum of 42:00 and you would make at least 78:45 for 6 days off work.
If you get pulled from a trip for OE and then you GS it is at double pay.
06-13-2016, 08:21 AM
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In the 21st century, it would seem to be an easy fix to allow reserve pilots to check a box for each day of reserve to "defer to OOBWS". Then reserve pilots who want to fly (commuters?) can do so, and those who want to stay home can let out of base white slippers have a shot.
OBTW; OOBWSs do come before in base reserves if it less than 12 hour coverage.
Omar
06-13-2016, 08:33 AM
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Thanks Ray Red, I should have been clearer. I've had a trip with an LCA bought for OE. It's still on my schedule, just with a code next to it that shows it's pay protected. I wasn't sure if I put in for a GS it would be ignored by the system because the trip was still showing on my schedule and one could only be awarded a GSWC at that point. It sounds like you're saying to GS and get double pay on top of the pay protection, basically amounting to triple pay. No wonder the guys above me try to fly with check airmen all the time!
06-13-2016, 08:46 AM
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Post indoc/ NH questions
Is the Alpa sponsored member benefits plan worth it? We are automatically enrolled into it at a smokers rate and have to tell them if we are non smokers or want out of it. I am curious what people thought of it.
The employee stock purchase program. It seems like there is no benefit to this since it purchases stock on the open market at the current rate, something which I could do on my own with my own stock account. Is that correct or is there some benefit only avail to employees through that program?
What is the Performance Pays Mastercard debit card that I received/activated? Does Delta put money on it? When and how would I know it?
The employee stock purchase program. It seems like there is no benefit to this since it purchases stock on the open market at the current rate, something which I could do on my own with my own stock account. Is that correct or is there some benefit only avail to employees through that program?
What is the Performance Pays Mastercard debit card that I received/activated? Does Delta put money on it? When and how would I know it?
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