tsquare

Only if SOC happens first.

newKnow

Ferd,

I didn't want to start that whole, "our old way was a lot better" discussion, but you are right. The monthly APA system was no big deal because you could see whereever you wanted to go (or, not go) coming and you had time to plan.

It's a lot to sit and wait out an AE and not bid something until the next time, when the next time could be 6-8 months down the road, and you might not be able to hold it then. Then all of a sudden it's a year later and you are still where you were the year before.

I don't care what they call it, how about monthly AE's?

New K Now

I think you should bid that SLC 320 thing since you got me by a few numbers, I want to be all Douglass and Boeing for the career.

newKnow

Speaking of Boeing, with them talking about Guam, doesn't that mean 73N flying is coming out of the domestic system? What 73N base is supposed to bear the brunt of it?

Ferd149

That's what I want too............can't imagine being "Ferd the Busboy"

newKnow

Happy Thanksgiving, gentlemen. Can't wait. I'm going to bed.

Dash8widget

I would bet that vast majority of the SLC based guys will make every attempt to stay in SLC. I've flown with a couple of MD captains who said they would go back to he 767B to stay in SLC. I also flew with one senior captain (a DFW commuter) who is planning on bidding the 320 in MEM. I don't know anyone who loves the MD enough to follow it to MSP.

I've also talked to a few MSP 320 guys who are chomping at the bit to move to SLC.....I guess we will see

80ktsClamp

Happy Thanksgiving, all! I've been enjoying a nice break at home with the rents down in Florida State-ahassee.

Since it's a holiday, off to work for me tomorrow. I'm giving an SAQ to a former big wig and current sim instrucTOR tomorrow... I'll see what I can add to the rumor feast on here.

johnso29

Excellent!!!!!!!!!

NuGuy

Heyas,

Management will move with lightning speed to move people into lower paying positions for furlough or whatever other reason when it suits their need.

But in the interest of spirited debate, here are the pros-cons:

AE System:

Pros:
LONG lead time protects your position if you want to stay put...sort of, since the company can "convert" you at their whim. Company controls the timing anyway.

Cons:
Long lead time. If you want to change positions, you better have your mind made up.
Occasional bids makes it difficult to plan moves.
No real gouge on what people are going to do. "Pent up demand" means people are going to go all over the place.
Discourages same category base swapping.
No real way to predict when you go to training.
No real way to start banking the new pay rate (might work in your favor, though).
If you fall off to reserve or other undesirable QoL malady, no short term way to bail out to something you can hold a line or better QoL on.

Oh yea, they can "cancel" the bid after you get it..."sorry, just kidding"


APA System

Pros:
Predictable
Easy to see which way the wind is blowing
Easy to predict when you'll be in training. Permits sharp shooting holidays/summers/etc.
You know exactly when the position is effective.
Permits base swapping on a monthly basis.
Easy to bail out of a suddenly undesirable QoL situation
You get awarded it, you own it: Once awarded, company must displace you.

Cons:
During stagnant times, the bottom positions in each category/base may "flux", leading to "bouncing positions" (although this can be resolved by bidding something you can reliably hold...if any).
Easy for the company to rapidly flush people to the bottom, although I'm not sure how the AE system prevents this, since the company controls when they happen.

Oh yea, "what am I willing to give up to get this?". Not a damn thing. The company owes us some serious bank, and this is just one way to start collecting.

Nu

Chente

[quote=NuGuy;717225]Heyas,

Management will move with lightning speed to move people into lower paying positions for furlough or whatever other reason when it suits their need.


Can someone please explain this concept to me? I know there is no "real" talk of furlough right now...but...I've seen this written on here and have never understood the logic behind it. Why does it matter if people are moved to "Lower paying positions"? Everything is based on seniority during a furlough. The junior guy goes first and then the rest follow. I just cant wrap my mind around this concept of moving people into "lower paying positions"