Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
02-27-2016, 05:45 AM
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One percent of profit to charity now...profits we produced! Just giving money away! Still though, they could only afford a nickle for per diem. I thought I'd seen it all...!!! Sweet baby Jesus! Can I write that off my taxes this year?
This gives 'I gave at the office' a whole new meaning! Will we have any say as to where *ahem* our money goes? After the scandals at United Way and other organizations, I'd sure hate to think that 3k per year per pilot is going to the Mercedes fund of some VP at those places.
By the way, EBITDAR doesn't include charity, so this is coming straight out of our pockets...IOW, they'd rather GIVE it away than see you get it!
This gives 'I gave at the office' a whole new meaning! Will we have any say as to where *ahem* our money goes? After the scandals at United Way and other organizations, I'd sure hate to think that 3k per year per pilot is going to the Mercedes fund of some VP at those places.
By the way, EBITDAR doesn't include charity, so this is coming straight out of our pockets...IOW, they'd rather GIVE it away than see you get it!
02-27-2016, 07:13 AM
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Still not following you. Are you saying that you only need 10 hours of rest and you're good? Or are you agreeing that you still need to make sure you get the required 8 hour sleep opportunity?
Just for clarification, the 8 hour "behind the door" was never in the rules. The FAA has always called it an 8 hour "sleep opportunity" that must be met. The minimum "rest" period must be 10 hours and must encompass at least an 8 hour "sleep opportunity" not 8 "hours of rest". The company and ALPA may have said "behind the door", but the FAA always called it an 8 hour sleep opportunity.
Rest is defined as not on duty/doing a required task for the company. Sleep opportunity is where you actually have an opportunity to sleep. Different things. Rest is not always a sleep opportunity, but sleep opportunity is always part of a rest period
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Just for clarification, the 8 hour "behind the door" was never in the rules. The FAA has always called it an 8 hour "sleep opportunity" that must be met. The minimum "rest" period must be 10 hours and must encompass at least an 8 hour "sleep opportunity" not 8 "hours of rest". The company and ALPA may have said "behind the door", but the FAA always called it an 8 hour sleep opportunity.
Rest is defined as not on duty/doing a required task for the company. Sleep opportunity is where you actually have an opportunity to sleep. Different things. Rest is not always a sleep opportunity, but sleep opportunity is always part of a rest period
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Sorry for the confusion.
02-27-2016, 10:49 AM
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Part 121 never addressed a "sleep opportunity." The rule was simply a minimum of 9 hours of rest (reducible) to 8 from duty release to duty sign-in. This was "commonly" referred to as a minimum of "8 hours behind the door." The absolute minimum per the rule was 8 hours of rest...with a few caveats. Now the minimum is 10 hours of rest, with an 8 hour uninterrupted sleep opportunity. It is your responsibility to determine if you received 8 hours of uninterrupted sleep, and yours alone!
Sorry for the confusion.
Sorry for the confusion.
See below
http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/m...AC%20117-3.pdf
8. MANAGING REST.
a. Rest and Sleep Opportunities. Rest opportunities and sleep opportunities are two separate issues. A rest opportunity is an assigned period in which the flightcrew member is free from all duty prior to a duty assignment; while a sleep opportunity period resides within that rest period. The sleep obtained within the sleep opportunity is the essential element for being fit for duty.
b. Hours of Rest and Sleep. Managing rest and sleep opportunities are essential for reducing the risk of being unfit for duty due to fatigue. A joint responsibility is again placed on the air carrier and the flightcrew member in § 117.25(e)(f), which prescribes that no flightcrew member may accept an assignment for any reserve or FDP unless that flightcrew member is given a rest period of at least 10 consecutive hours immediately before beginning the reserve or FDP measured from the time the flightcrew member is released from duty. The 10-hour rest period must provide the flightcrew member with an opportunity of a minimum of 8 hours of uninterrupted sleep. If the flightcrew member determines that the rest period will not provide an opportunity of 8 uninterrupted hours of sleep, that flightcrew member must notify the certificate holder. The flightcrew member cannot report for the assigned FDP until he or she receives a minimum of 8 hours of uninterrupted sleep opportunity
02-27-2016, 12:02 PM
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Only 1 out of 8 in SEA with lanyard. And some one jokingly called me a "rebel with the orange lanyard".
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02-27-2016, 12:59 PM
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Does a GSWC (C #1) count as your first GS just as a G #1 would even though it has a different coverage code? My guess would be yes, but can't find it.
If you get bought off a trip for OE and then get a GS over some or all of the now open days, do you get paid for the original trip and double the GS trip...or is different math involved in this scenario?
If you get bought off a trip for OE and then get a GS over some or all of the now open days, do you get paid for the original trip and double the GS trip...or is different math involved in this scenario?
02-27-2016, 02:02 PM
veut gagner à la loterie
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02-27-2016, 02:03 PM
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I don't get this. If you're deadheading and the flight has 14 open seats and 18 seats not assigned, why does it show full when you go to swap seats on Delta.com?
02-27-2016, 02:13 PM
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Does a GSWC (C #1) count as your first GS just as a G #1 would even though it has a different coverage code? My guess would be yes, but can't find it.
If you get bought off a trip for OE and then get a GS over some or all of the now open days, do you get paid for the original trip and double the GS trip...or is different math involved in this scenario?
If you get bought off a trip for OE and then get a GS over some or all of the now open days, do you get paid for the original trip and double the GS trip...or is different math involved in this scenario?
Whatever you do next is just like bought trip was never on your Sked. Free to gs, ws, visit girlfriend, etc. normal gs rules/pay in force. Enjoy
02-28-2016, 05:23 AM
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Anyone have info whether or not all GS are created equal in terms of future GS awards?
- Does a GSWC (C #1) count the same as a "normal" GS (G #1)...or are they different because they have different coverage codes?
- Does an out-of-base GS (H #1) count as your GS for future normal/standard/in-base/no conflict GS awards?
In other words, does a C #1 or H #1 count the same as G #1 when it comes time to be considered for G #2?
02-28-2016, 06:49 AM
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Thanks.
Anyone have info whether or not all GS are created equal in terms of future GS awards?
- Does a GSWC (C #1) count the same as a "normal" GS (G #1)...or are they different because they have different coverage codes?
- Does an out-of-base GS (H #1) count as your GS for future normal/standard/in-base/no conflict GS awards?
In other words, does a C #1 or H #1 count the same as G #1 when it comes time to be considered for G #2?
Anyone have info whether or not all GS are created equal in terms of future GS awards?
- Does a GSWC (C #1) count the same as a "normal" GS (G #1)...or are they different because they have different coverage codes?
- Does an out-of-base GS (H #1) count as your GS for future normal/standard/in-base/no conflict GS awards?
In other words, does a C #1 or H #1 count the same as G #1 when it comes time to be considered for G #2?
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