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02-03-2016, 02:49 AM
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LCA scheduling question...
I'm very junior so don't have the ability to do the LCA bidding out of the gate and work that angle. But I did pick up a white slip with an LCA later this month. Didn't even realize an LCA was on it until I had it on my schedule.
Any idea how often they actually kick the FO off for OE or something else? I'm guessing it depends on fleet (717, 88...more than the 737 or 320...?) and base (NYC...more than SLC or CVG).
Obviously I'm planning on flying the thing, but I'm just curious if there's a real chance of being bought off the trip. Or...is it more in the Dumb and Dumber, one in a million chance of being bought off the trip.
"So you're saying there's a chance....."
I'm very junior so don't have the ability to do the LCA bidding out of the gate and work that angle. But I did pick up a white slip with an LCA later this month. Didn't even realize an LCA was on it until I had it on my schedule.
Any idea how often they actually kick the FO off for OE or something else? I'm guessing it depends on fleet (717, 88...more than the 737 or 320...?) and base (NYC...more than SLC or CVG).
Obviously I'm planning on flying the thing, but I'm just curious if there's a real chance of being bought off the trip. Or...is it more in the Dumb and Dumber, one in a million chance of being bought off the trip.
"So you're saying there's a chance....."
Remember when DALPA was preaching IOE trip buys only effect senior pilots..Well, you are a prime example that was a lie..A lot of LCA swap trips and end up with junior pilots. IOE trip buys has slowed on the 88, but their were times when all available LCA trips were bought for IOE. Cross your fingers and hope you get lucky.
02-03-2016, 04:35 AM
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Remember when DALPA was preaching IOE trip buys only effect senior pilots..Well, you are a prime example that was a lie..A lot of LCA swap trips and end up with junior pilots. IOE trip buys has slowed on the 88, but their were times when all available LCA trips were bought for IOE. Cross your fingers and hope you get lucky.
02-03-2016, 05:46 AM
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Clearly the original post was referring to a JR FO swapping into a trip that was already crewed with a LCA. It has nothing to do with whether or not a LCA can WS or swap. The point being that DALPA said that the OE trip drop changes in the last TA would only Impact Sr FO's in a given category. Clearly that is complete BS on every level. It would have impacted all FO's whether they can hold LCA trips or not. The scenario above is one example but the glaring issue was the withholding of large numbers of trips in RVR bid packet by training scheduling. The water fall effect for FO bidding was going to be massive.
02-03-2016, 07:00 AM
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Reserve trip assignment rules and the Yellow slip process at Delta suck balls. That's all I have to say about that.
02-03-2016, 08:38 AM
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We could go back to the old system where senior guys could bid a low yellow, which was last one to call, and never fly. The junior reserves got to fly just about every trip.
02-03-2016, 08:49 AM
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Newb shadow period question
Where do you find your shadow period on delta net? Does it come out before or after the bid window?
I know they showed it to us in Indoc but I can't find it
I know they showed it to us in Indoc but I can't find it
02-03-2016, 09:31 AM
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How long ago are we talking? I agree with Rocky that our reserve bucket system sucks and does not work as it was advertised. Kind of like the ALV+15 provision was sold as "...but when you reach your guarantee for the month, you're done for the month"...as if we couldn't figure out that a guy 1 minute short of his guarantee was going to be tagged...but I digress. Current reserve rules need to change to make them more equitable for junior on reserve.
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02-03-2016, 09:56 AM
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If you have 3 reserves available and 3 2-day trips in the pot all 3 guys are working a 2-day trip regardless of their days of availability. If you happen to be in the 4 day bucket your YS preference request is ignored when assigning the trips because you are not in the 2-day bucket. How stupid is that??
02-03-2016, 10:47 AM
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Based on your post, I'm assuming you're a new hire--meaning you'll have a 15-day shadow (per §22.C.4). It starts the day after your projected sim check and runs continuously (§11.F.8). Easiest (and probably earliest) place to "see" it is the PBS calendar.
02-03-2016, 10:57 AM
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§11.F.8 & §22.C.4
Based on your post, I'm assuming you're a new hire--meaning you'll have a 15-day shadow (per §22.C.4). It starts the day after your projected sim check and runs continuously (§11.F.8). Easiest (and probably earliest) place to "see" it is the PBS calendar.
Based on your post, I'm assuming you're a new hire--meaning you'll have a 15-day shadow (per §22.C.4). It starts the day after your projected sim check and runs continuously (§11.F.8). Easiest (and probably earliest) place to "see" it is the PBS calendar.
Yes I'm a new hire
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