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My understanding is as follows (and of course point out any errors):
An assigned rest period is considered a "non-fly day" per the definitions in the contract. I'd have to look it up but I believe a vacation day, X day, * day, and assigned rest are all considered "non fly days".
So, with that in mind, the PWA states (and I'm paraphrasing) that you can report as early as ten hours from the end of a "non-fly day" if they have placed the assignment on your schedule no later than 9 hours from the end of your "non-fly day". If they don't put it on there at least 9 hours before the end of your non-fly day then you revert to long call, 12 hour notification at the end of your non-fly day. (Vacation day is special BTW and they can't make you show at 10am following a vacation day... but I digress)
So in the case of assigned rest lets say you got done at 0700 on day C of a long stretch of on call days and were assigned a 30 hour rest giving you rest until 1300 on day D. You aren't "required" to check your schedule during your rest. You aren't "required" to answer your phone. The PWA however contractually allows them to place an assignment as early as 2300 on day D, (1300 + 10 hours) if they place it on you schedule before 0400 on day D (1300 - 9 hours). So, if you "Chose" to check your schedule at 0400 and there was nothing on there then the earliest you could report would be 0100 on day E. All this was more of an issue, at least IMHO, when you could report as early as 5 hours from the end and rest periods were 24 hours long.
Just to be clear, you are not "required" to check your schedule during rest and there is also a misconception that you are "required" to check your schedule at 1500 (9 hours from 2400) on your last off day. The 1500 or "3pm schedule check" is the last chance they have to put something on your schedule without calling you and their last chance if they want to get something on your schedule with a report as early as 1000 on your first day. The 1500 deadline is more a deadline for them if they want to give you 1000 start time or don't want to notify you of an assignment. If you didn't check your schedule until 2200 no one is going to say anything, you just need to realize that you may have an assignment sitting on your schedule with a 1000 report time because you "chose" not to check your schedule.
Let me know if this doesn't look right to any of you guys but I've been down this path before and this is what I have found...
Edited to Add:
125. “Hard non-fly day” means a non-fly day on which a pilot may not be inversely assigned
25 to a rotation (e.g., vacation, APD day, reserve PD day, ALPA, legal duty, MLOA, or
26 golden X-day).
169. “Non-fly day” means a day or 24-hour period during which a pilot:
16 a. does not perform flying for the Company,
17 b. is not scheduled to perform flying for the Company,
18 c. does not participate in training, other than distributed training (including travel days),
19 d. does not perform an SLI duty period (including a flex day),
20 e. is not on Company business,
21 f. is not removed from his scheduled rotation for the convenience of the Company, or
22 g. is not on long call or short call.
2. A reserve pilot will not be: Assigned a rotation that:
5) has a report earlier than ten hours from the end of his last non-fly day.
39 Note one: A rotation that has a report between ten and 12 hours after the end of a
40 pilot’s last non-fly day will be assigned no later than nine hours prior to the end of
41 such non-fly day under Section 23 S. 5. e. 2) b).10
42 Note two: A pilot is responsible for ascertaining whether he has been so assigned
43 a rotation. Crew Scheduling is not required to make telephone contact for such an
44 assignment.11
An assigned rest period is considered a "non-fly day" per the definitions in the contract. I'd have to look it up but I believe a vacation day, X day, * day, and assigned rest are all considered "non fly days".
So, with that in mind, the PWA states (and I'm paraphrasing) that you can report as early as ten hours from the end of a "non-fly day" if they have placed the assignment on your schedule no later than 9 hours from the end of your "non-fly day". If they don't put it on there at least 9 hours before the end of your non-fly day then you revert to long call, 12 hour notification at the end of your non-fly day. (Vacation day is special BTW and they can't make you show at 10am following a vacation day... but I digress)
So in the case of assigned rest lets say you got done at 0700 on day C of a long stretch of on call days and were assigned a 30 hour rest giving you rest until 1300 on day D. You aren't "required" to check your schedule during your rest. You aren't "required" to answer your phone. The PWA however contractually allows them to place an assignment as early as 2300 on day D, (1300 + 10 hours) if they place it on you schedule before 0400 on day D (1300 - 9 hours). So, if you "Chose" to check your schedule at 0400 and there was nothing on there then the earliest you could report would be 0100 on day E. All this was more of an issue, at least IMHO, when you could report as early as 5 hours from the end and rest periods were 24 hours long.
Just to be clear, you are not "required" to check your schedule during rest and there is also a misconception that you are "required" to check your schedule at 1500 (9 hours from 2400) on your last off day. The 1500 or "3pm schedule check" is the last chance they have to put something on your schedule without calling you and their last chance if they want to get something on your schedule with a report as early as 1000 on your first day. The 1500 deadline is more a deadline for them if they want to give you 1000 start time or don't want to notify you of an assignment. If you didn't check your schedule until 2200 no one is going to say anything, you just need to realize that you may have an assignment sitting on your schedule with a 1000 report time because you "chose" not to check your schedule.
Let me know if this doesn't look right to any of you guys but I've been down this path before and this is what I have found...
Edited to Add:
125. “Hard non-fly day” means a non-fly day on which a pilot may not be inversely assigned
25 to a rotation (e.g., vacation, APD day, reserve PD day, ALPA, legal duty, MLOA, or
26 golden X-day).
169. “Non-fly day” means a day or 24-hour period during which a pilot:
16 a. does not perform flying for the Company,
17 b. is not scheduled to perform flying for the Company,
18 c. does not participate in training, other than distributed training (including travel days),
19 d. does not perform an SLI duty period (including a flex day),
20 e. is not on Company business,
21 f. is not removed from his scheduled rotation for the convenience of the Company, or
22 g. is not on long call or short call.
2. A reserve pilot will not be: Assigned a rotation that:
5) has a report earlier than ten hours from the end of his last non-fly day.
39 Note one: A rotation that has a report between ten and 12 hours after the end of a
40 pilot’s last non-fly day will be assigned no later than nine hours prior to the end of
41 such non-fly day under Section 23 S. 5. e. 2) b).10
42 Note two: A pilot is responsible for ascertaining whether he has been so assigned
43 a rotation. Crew Scheduling is not required to make telephone contact for such an
44 assignment.11
That is an excellent summary of the situation.
I still think we should have fought for the 12 hours to report after an assigned rest period but it seems we've conceded they can use the "last non-fly day" procedure. No notification, acknowledgement required, and 10 hours to report.
Gets Weekends Off
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For the travelnet gurus, when you look at the Nonrev list and you see someone listed as Unknown, is it safe to assume they are non Delta or DCI employees? It's an international flight so are they Zed listings? Thanks.
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I think that is a pretty safe assumption. Anyone that is associated with Delta in any capacity would have an airline/company code that would show up on the non rev list.
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