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Old 11-23-2009, 07:15 AM
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Well Nu, that is stated all very well. There is a simple point in there. In a nut shell it is a difference in philosophy.
Most have given up and live their lives. That works out well for those that do not want to give information out, and not so well for those vocally demanding it, as they are a small majority.
Some how, we need to get the guys that do not give two hoots to care, and vote, and communicate accordingly.
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Old 11-23-2009, 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Nosmo King
DC will not increase for the entire seniority list in 38 days.
Yes, Nosmo, it will. Even for those currently getting zero in TDC, they will see 1% contributed to their RSP. That is over and above any residual they are due from the TDC.
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Old 11-23-2009, 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
Yes, it does. The total pot of money paid to Delta pilots (North and South) goes up 1% of income. The North DC Targeting scheme directs how that 1% increase will be allocated, but there definitely is a 1% increase applied to that scheme. As explained to me, it should cause the "residual" amount to be higher, and that will be true for each of the increases over the next few years until the Target Plan sunsets in 2013.
You're both wrong. DC for FNWA pilots increases by 1.5%. One percent in flat distribution, and one half percent increase in targeted distribution.

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Old 11-23-2009, 07:46 AM
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Nu,

Great post. Slow and the others are asking us to trust the MEC. However, I'm reminded of Reagan's old adage: "Trust but verify."

The problem is we can't verify because the communication isn't there. I wonder if the Communication Committee doesn't/can't put out info or is it because they themselves are being kept in the dark on purpose?
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Old 11-23-2009, 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by TOGA LK
And on the outside, State I and II aerodynamic improvements for 9, 88 and 90 fleets. Reference Super98 > Home for specific information. 16 additional 90's coming 2010.
The 50s may see this....and GPS.

What is your source on the additional 16 90s in 2010 or is this the number already quoted and from where? China, Japan, Middle East?
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Old 11-23-2009, 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by BusDrvr
You're both wrong. DC for FNWA pilots increases by 1.5%. One percent in flat distribution, and one half percent increase in targeted distribution.

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You're right. 1% of the increase from the JCBA was over and above the 0.5% in the NWA CBA.
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Old 11-23-2009, 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
I note that you never responded to AlfaRomeo's post of why your opinions aren't supported by the facts. You reassert here that which is not true.

Why?

17% in direct pay hikes during the term of this contract. 3% more in your DC. 5.6% of the company...yet you say the Administration hasn't been trying...
Management has us bent over grabbing our ankles and you guys keep trumpeting your great achievement in negotiating a dab of Vaseline.

I think its time to stand up and say "STOP".
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Old 11-23-2009, 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
Management has us bent over grabbing our ankles and you guys keep trumpeting your great achievement in negotiating a dab of Vaseline.

I think its time to stand up and say "STOP".
Very nice. You can't/don't answer the question, so you try and change the argument.
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Old 11-23-2009, 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
Management has us bent over grabbing our ankles and you guys keep trumpeting your great achievement in negotiating a dab of Vaseline.

I think its time to stand up and say "STOP".
Heyas Check,

The trumpeting of "the number of RJs has gone down" is indeed hollow. The current MEC had NOTHING to do with it, wants to claim some kind of credit, BUT REFUSES to capitalize on it.

I asked LM directly at a Council 20 meeting "If the company doesn't want RJs, and WE don't want RJs, why not ratchet down scope why we have the opportunity to do so?"

LM went on to say "well, RJs are uneconomical at current fuel prices and we don't think oil will go back down". So, in other words, lets leave our scope to fate.

I don't need to remind ANY fNWA guy what happened the last few times we heard the phrase "we don't think..." from our MEC reps and/or negotiators.

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Old 11-23-2009, 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
Heyas Check,

The trumpeting of "the number of RJs has gone down" is indeed hollow. The current MEC had NOTHING to do with it, wants to claim some kind of credit, BUT REFUSES to capitalize on it.

I asked LM directly at a Council 20 meeting "If the company doesn't want RJs, and WE don't want RJs, why not ratchet down scope why we have the opportunity to do so?"

LM went on to say "well, RJs are uneconomical at current fuel prices and we don't think oil will go back down". So, in other words, lets leave our scope to fate.

I don't need to remind ANY fNWA guy what happened the last few times we heard the phrase "we don't think..." from our MEC reps and/or negotiators.

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That has been my strong suggestion for quite some time. If they are willing and state the RJ's are going away. Make them put pen to paper in the PWA!

I have always stated that if they find a way to hang a GTR on the back of a CRJ-50 we are back where we started!
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