sailingfun

[quote=acl65pilot;715708]Slow;
What you are getting is an ACL that sees a lot more than you give him credit for!!!

First, the company needed us on board to run NWA as a subsidiary during this transition phase. That alone is huge. It allowed many things to happen that would have not happened otherwise. It allowed a more seamless transition to a post-SOC company.

ACL, you are usually accurate but this is incorrect. Management was free to purchase or merge with any airline. There are requirements in the contract to merge the seniority lists over time but there was no permission needed by the company to operate NWA as a subsidiary during that time.
There would have been issues with scope compliance but again the company could have solved those issues at a moderate cost without any issues from Dalpa. We had some leverage in this merger but not a whole lot. The company bought our cooperation but to try and portray that we controlled the merger and could have extracted from the company a lot more is not accurate.
The company in fact made it clear that they intended to merge the airlines with or without the cooperation of Dalpa. This broke a earlier management promise that was only months old.

acl65pilot

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Hence was my point. They needed us to support it and amend section 1 to operate it as a wholly owned subsidiary. There would have been a substantial cost and increased time line if it was not done this way.
Allowing it to be operated in this manner allowed the synergies to add up quicker than they would have otherwise.
Of course there was a work around, there always is. Our contracts are worded in a way that allows management a escape route. They probably would not sign them otherwise!


Point is, that doing it this way was their preferred method for many reasons. Because of that, they needed us on board.

And just to further clarify. I am not suggesting that we controlled the merger. What we did and still do control is the efficiency and quality of the process. Just so you know, I give the MECmost of the credit for keeping its pilots inline. The professional pilots of this airline are responsible for it as well, but the MEC led.

Nosmo King

DC will not increase for the entire seniority list in 38 days.

slowplay

Yes, it does. The total pot of money paid to Delta pilots (North and South) goes up 1% of income. The North DC Targeting scheme directs how that 1% increase will be allocated, but there definitely is a 1% increase applied to that scheme. As explained to me, it should cause the "residual" amount to be higher, and that will be true for each of the increases over the next few years until the Target Plan sunsets in 2013.

Edit I've been told that what I wrote above is not accurate, and that all North pilots will see a 1% DC increase next year that is independent of what their targeted amount is. I apologize for the misinformation

NuGuy

Heyas,

Today I had 2 cups of coffee and a bowl of Cheerios. Digestion happened and I had a real nice bowel movement. I was damn pleased.

Moral of the story...just because you strain hard, and accomplish something you think is worthwhile, unless you tell people how and WHY it's important, to them it's nothing but a great, big, steaming turd.

Here endeth the lesson...

Nu

slowplay

OK, I'd call that over-sharing!

Seriously, though, if the MEC had directed that type of communication over the last two years this forum would have been up in arms, grabbing the torches and pitchforks because those ALPA kool-aid drinkers were spinning (gasp) and trying to manage our expectations (horror)! A contract education campaign (which this forum proves is needed) wouldn't exactly be telling the membership what it wanted to hear...

acl65pilot

Agreed, but I liked the story!

Must be eating Cheerios for his old heart!

TOGA LK

And on the outside, State I and II aerodynamic improvements for 9, 88 and 90 fleets. Reference Super98 > Home for specific information. 16 additional 90's coming 2010.

Mem9guy

DALPA had nothing to do with this. This is the result of us insisting on continuing our targeting plan...

NuGuy

Heyas Slow,

That's because there is a big difference in SPIN and legitimate communications.

I've read "Union Communications 101", and can tell the difference between spin and information.

1) Whatever you do, stay on THE message.
2) If you say something often enough, it becomes the truth.
3) When you can't attack the message, attack the messager.
4) Redirect, without malice, if possible.
5) ALWAYS control the lines of communication. ALWAYS.

Point is Slow, most guys are smart enough to wade through the BS. Some feel that there is no point in calling people on it, and they, for the most part, are correct. When you have the same people say "well, if you had bothered to stay involved and engaged, you'd know the answer" on one hand, and then tell people who DO stay involved and engaged "resolutions that pilots vote for at LEC meetings are not the will of the pilot group", it's no wonder people shrug and give up.

When people start asking the pointed questions and are told "well, if we're lucky and you all back us %100, you might get to keep your jobs", that sends the wrong message.

The crippled webboard (no search feature...STILL??) and lack of DIRECT communications says one thing. They don't want anything in print. Nothing. They don't want you to put anything in print. Anything in print can be subpoenaed and has to be defended in court. If I were on the MEC, I couldn't have had the above bowel movement without checking with legal first.

Instead, call your rep to get "the story". Use the secret handshake...Ooops, your rep isn't in bid period 5, and didn't get the handshake, but has been "briefed on" (but not asked for input) the policy...hey, aren't these the guys that are in charge and DIRECT policy?

Now IAFlyers comment about the company LATHERING everthing in NDA, to keep the pilot group in the dark and unagitated is interesting. If that has been co-opted by the MEC as policy, I'd say that would be most disturbing.

Nu