Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
11-20-2009, 04:26 PM
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Well... it seems it depends on who you ask. Apparently the O&D market out of Tokyo HND is vast enough that it warrants a $1 BILLION investment in a failing carrier to obtain those rights. (mild sarcasm) It seems that those 5th freedom rights that we enjoy out of NRT are nothing compared to that little gem. I am still waiting DALPA's explanation as to why/how this is in the PILOT's best interest other than the usual "If DAL succeeds, we all succeed" mantra. I know that.. I get it, but if this deal results in OUR guys getting furloughed or some other nonsense, maybe it isn't worth our support. I have no idea since the MEC does not communicate any of this to us. This is a huge bet on Tokyo. One city. I hope it's worth it.
For the specific purposes of your statement think of Heathrow versus Gatwick. A few years ago carriers were screaming to get out of GAtwick into Heathrow because they perceived it to be a more profitable market.
11-20-2009, 04:30 PM
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Agreed, we need protections. There is a lot of viability with this one that the AF/KLM deal did not have. (I will not even go in to what else I think as Slow and I hashed that out already, and I offered my suggestions 
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Our MEC team is very capable of dealing with this.
As I have said, the issue is not necessarily with the direction of our union, but the communication to the group. We need a White Paper distributed to the pilots on the fact that can be disseminated to us, as well has a why our position is a certain way.
I agree with our MEC, we need to support the deal AND try to make gain with the deal!
) Our MEC team is very capable of dealing with this.
As I have said, the issue is not necessarily with the direction of our union, but the communication to the group. We need a White Paper distributed to the pilots on the fact that can be disseminated to us, as well has a why our position is a certain way.
I agree with our MEC, we need to support the deal AND try to make gain with the deal!
11-20-2009, 05:02 PM
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I have been told that there are many within the DALPA origination that want to change this, but there are an equal number that do not!
11-20-2009, 05:10 PM
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Wanted: Pilot Role Models
Even during difficult times, airline pilots do an outstanding job fulfilling ALPA’s motto, “Schedule with Safety.” With ALPA’s recently renewed emphasis on fostering the highest level of professionalism and adherence to the Code of Ethics—and the Association’s same commitment to the U.S. Congress, the FAA administrator, and the traveling public—Air Line Pilot is looking for “a few good men and women” to profile as superlative examples of day-in, day-out professionals flying the line. Please send us the names of pilots you believe exemplify the best characteristics of our profession; submissions should be forwarded to [email protected].
When recommending one of your peers, please explain how the pilot:
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truly enjoys being an airline pilot on a day-to-day basis; and
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I know a few guys I am going to recommend!
Even during difficult times, airline pilots do an outstanding job fulfilling ALPA’s motto, “Schedule with Safety.” With ALPA’s recently renewed emphasis on fostering the highest level of professionalism and adherence to the Code of Ethics—and the Association’s same commitment to the U.S. Congress, the FAA administrator, and the traveling public—Air Line Pilot is looking for “a few good men and women” to profile as superlative examples of day-in, day-out professionals flying the line. Please send us the names of pilots you believe exemplify the best characteristics of our profession; submissions should be forwarded to [email protected].
When recommending one of your peers, please explain how the pilot:
upholds the ideals contained in the ALPA Code of Ethics;
brings honor to the profession whether in or out of uniform;
is someone others respect, emulate, and want to learn from;
not only performs exceptionally well as a pilot, but also advocates for the profession;
truly enjoys being an airline pilot on a day-to-day basis; and
embraces the responsibilities of an airline pilot.
I know a few guys I am going to recommend!
11-20-2009, 05:12 PM
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Freight,
I agree! There needs to be a multipaged across the table or just the facts or whatever we called them back in the day with all the details. When those in power don't fill a void, someone else does with a lot fewer facts and way too many conspiracies.
I agree that we need to win this dual with AA for JAL. One doesn't need to spend much time in NRT or anywhere else in Japan to see that this is a gold mine. Yes, it's down right now.......but just wait.
Boys.........don't screw this up!
Ferd
I agree! There needs to be a multipaged across the table or just the facts or whatever we called them back in the day with all the details. When those in power don't fill a void, someone else does with a lot fewer facts and way too many conspiracies.
I agree that we need to win this dual with AA for JAL. One doesn't need to spend much time in NRT or anywhere else in Japan to see that this is a gold mine. Yes, it's down right now.......but just wait.
Boys.........don't screw this up!
Ferd
11-20-2009, 06:00 PM
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Anybody familiar with the PWA able to answer this? I went from DTWDC9 B to DTW320 B Nov 20, 2008. I was displaced to DTWDC9 B Jun 1, 2009.
I think I incured a 2 year lock when I went to the 320 so can I be AE'd somewhere else, or am I stuck on the DC9 until Nov 2010? Or if the conversion date is after my 180 days post SOC recall rights expiration, am I released from my 2 yr freeze?
Oh man, I've confused myself!
Thanks in advance. 
I think I incured a 2 year lock when I went to the 320 so can I be AE'd somewhere else, or am I stuck on the DC9 until Nov 2010? Or if the conversion date is after my 180 days post SOC recall rights expiration, am I released from my 2 yr freeze?
Oh man, I've confused myself!
Thanks in advance.
11-20-2009, 06:08 PM
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Excellent advice - when in doubt log on to I-crew and run it by "HAL." Whatever you do though, don't **** him off, he has a short temper and a long memory.
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11-20-2009, 07:04 PM
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11-20-2009, 08:07 PM
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Close, but not quite...if you are not "in" the category that you have a freeze on, it will not show. I am in the same situation, albeit from 757B to DC9B.
Your freeze on the bus is still there, should you go back to the bus...but not if you don't. IE, you can bid anything else you like in the mean time, but if you exercise your recall rights to the 320, or just get back there from an AE, the computer would then show the freeze back in effect until 2 years from your initial training.
At least that was the way it was explained at length to me during the last North only AE.
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11-20-2009, 08:11 PM
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Regarding the Narita/Haneda access talks: If we're not offered/able to negotiate access to Haneda, how about offering, (via the U.S. Gov't), Ontario, Fresno or Spokane as gateways originating from Haneda? They're each about two hiurs away from the traditional destinations out of Japan, right? As the price goes up, the ball gets harder...in many cases. 
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