Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-19-2015, 09:08 PM
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Also are you still willing to bet that there will be another TA in 2 weeks? If so, how much are you willing to bet?
07-20-2015, 02:12 AM
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Here's the requirements you have to satisfy:
Assuming you can book the PS (up to 14 days ahead) without going through your base on a single leg (a, b & c), your description to me seems to satisfy d (you're getting there earlier), and e doesn't apply (I'm assuming there's not a subsequent flight from LGA that gets in >31 minutes prior).
So... if you don't make the flight for whatever reason, call scheds and it becomes their problem--just as if you were on your scheduled DH and got waylaid somewhere. In the situation you describe, I'd assume they'd PS you on the subsequent flight and tell you to get to the gate ASAP upon arrival in DTW--but, again, that'll be up to them.
It gets much hairier if you're offline getting to DTW--you're basically going to have to have the same backups in place as with any other commute.
All of the above is AIUI, so take it with a suitable grain of salt....
Assuming you can book the PS (up to 14 days ahead) without going through your base on a single leg (a, b & c), your description to me seems to satisfy d (you're getting there earlier), and e doesn't apply (I'm assuming there's not a subsequent flight from LGA that gets in >31 minutes prior).
So... if you don't make the flight for whatever reason, call scheds and it becomes their problem--just as if you were on your scheduled DH and got waylaid somewhere. In the situation you describe, I'd assume they'd PS you on the subsequent flight and tell you to get to the gate ASAP upon arrival in DTW--but, again, that'll be up to them.
It gets much hairier if you're offline getting to DTW--you're basically going to have to have the same backups in place as with any other commute.
All of the above is AIUI, so take it with a suitable grain of salt....
07-20-2015, 05:09 AM
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Delta announced the order in June. You also are stating that Delta still plans on executing these options, yet the CEO of a publicly owned company stated at an investor conference last week that he will be cancelling the order for these aircraft. Do you have anything to back-up your claim that Delta still plans on executing the order for 40 B737-900ERs that they announced in June. The order they announced they publicly announced they will cancel? Is there a delivery schedule for these 40 B737s that you are aware of? Not the previous order, but the 40 "options."
If you think that Delta's fleet renewal plans are solely based on a TA, well. I was a little surprised the company did that - because if the TA failed they would have some egg on their face. Those 40 737-900ER are coming - it is just a matter of when. The company can announce the orders as part of a TA, or not as part of a TA. Also, those airplanes weren't There was no language in the TA that tied the 737-900 to passage of the TA. Those 40 weren't even going to come during this TA, probable delivery 2018-2019.
07-20-2015, 05:30 AM
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07-20-2015, 06:22 AM
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You have to learn "CEO speak". He didn't say those ordered were canceled - he said he "will" be canceling those 40 that were ordered. Clearly by the time of the investor call, the TA had already been rejected, so there was probably time to cancel the orders. So, this way when the TA passes eventually they'll still have the orders. (or really exercising previous options)
If you think that Delta's fleet renewal plans are solely based on a TA, well. I was a little surprised the company did that - because if the TA failed they would have some egg on their face. Those 40 737-900ER are coming - it is just a matter of when. The company can announce the orders as part of a TA, or not as part of a TA. Also, those airplanes weren't There was no language in the TA that tied the 737-900 to passage of the TA. Those 40 weren't even going to come during this TA, probable delivery 2018-2019.
If you think that Delta's fleet renewal plans are solely based on a TA, well. I was a little surprised the company did that - because if the TA failed they would have some egg on their face. Those 40 737-900ER are coming - it is just a matter of when. The company can announce the orders as part of a TA, or not as part of a TA. Also, those airplanes weren't There was no language in the TA that tied the 737-900 to passage of the TA. Those 40 weren't even going to come during this TA, probable delivery 2018-2019.
07-20-2015, 04:55 PM
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The original order was for 100 B737-900ER with 30 options. There was no option exercise or conversion.
07-20-2015, 05:25 PM
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07-20-2015, 05:54 PM
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I guess if the A321 is not a performance replacement of the 757 as far as transcons and that the 739 is going to fulfill that roll, I'd have to say the 739 is coming.
In a way, remember how C2012 would spark hiring? But it didn't happen. And then 2 years later it did. And now we're told it's because C2012. Then fine, in 3 years when we finally get unparked and Delta orders 739s, we can rightfully say, see, told you they were coming.
07-20-2015, 06:02 PM
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Given it's a 739, it is kind of punishing.
I guess if the A321 is not a performance replacement of the 757 as far as transcons and that the 739 is going to fulfill that roll, I'd have to say the 739 is coming.
In a way, remember how C2012 would spark hiring? But it didn't happen. And then 2 years later it did. And now we're told it's because C2012. Then fine, in 3 years when we finally get unparked and Delta orders 739s, we can rightfully say, see, told you they were coming.
I guess if the A321 is not a performance replacement of the 757 as far as transcons and that the 739 is going to fulfill that roll, I'd have to say the 739 is coming.
In a way, remember how C2012 would spark hiring? But it didn't happen. And then 2 years later it did. And now we're told it's because C2012. Then fine, in 3 years when we finally get unparked and Delta orders 739s, we can rightfully say, see, told you they were coming.
And I'm serious.
07-20-2015, 06:17 PM
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I'm really looking forward to guys like you, Weigel, Jorgenson et. al. leading us to the promised land. At least Nestor, Dilbeck, Mason, Shinnick and other guys from your peer group stepped up and tried. You'll be able to tell us "told you" so much easier. Plus, you'll build some character with the rocks that get thrown at you by "friendly fire".
And I'm serious.
And I'm serious.
For the record, I will not support a recall of Nestor or Mason. Dilbeck has lost his way in the harwood machine, and I think needs to step out. Shinnick put in a tremendous amount of effort... in convincing people that no was absolutely the correct vote.
Also, my level of participation in ALPA is officially the same as Shinnick.
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