Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
06-18-2015, 08:12 AM
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U.S. lets Delta Air Lines keep Seattle-Haneda route
I thought they just said we were keeping it. Earlier reports of the "conditions" of keeping it "year round" were fairly restrictive (like more than a single cancellation for weather or maintenence would be viewed as abandoning the route or something) but still I thought for now it was DL's to lose.
I thought they just said we were keeping it. Earlier reports of the "conditions" of keeping it "year round" were fairly restrictive (like more than a single cancellation for weather or maintenence would be viewed as abandoning the route or something) but still I thought for now it was DL's to lose.
06-18-2015, 09:43 AM
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We have a lot of pilots many who post here who are disrespectful to those who don't share their opinion. They are the ones who love to name call and use slurs to others. What they fail to understand is that it defines them as a person.
In this case on the contract however I believe many of the silent majority are no voters and I dont believe this contract will ratify. The company has overreached and most pilots feel that way.
In this case on the contract however I believe many of the silent majority are no voters and I dont believe this contract will ratify. The company has overreached and most pilots feel that way.
06-18-2015, 09:48 AM
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I'm probably part of that silent majority being referred too and I'm a solid NO on this TA. This is no time to accept the onerous conditions of this TA and live under those onerous conditions for my remaining years. I'll just keep what we have, along with profit sharing and coast off into the sunset...
06-18-2015, 10:14 AM
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06-18-2015, 10:46 AM
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That's the new business plan, look at Delta's financial statements. Every investment they make, the associated company's stock goes way up as Delta shifts capacity to them. Delta then books those earnings as profit. Almost all of Delta's money comes from the ancillary businesses, that's why the TA sucks.
06-18-2015, 11:32 AM
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That's the new business plan, look at Delta's financial statements. Every investment they make, the associated company's stock goes way up as Delta shifts capacity to them. Delta then books those earnings as profit. Almost all of Delta's money comes from the ancillary businesses, that's why the TA sucks.
I didn't mean to imply that I thought it would be a bad deal to work with Skymark. They only operate 27 737's. If they solve our Haneda access problem and feed our widebodies, it could be very good for us. But, those are very big if's. As always, the devil is in the details.
I do, however, agree with you about the quality of our TA.
I do, however, agree with you about the quality of our TA.
06-18-2015, 01:07 PM
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I am a former NW guy and I am voting yes. I have seen this show before (circa 96-98) with these guys. If we vote this down they will string us out for 3 years. We will never see the 8% from JUL 1 to the end of the year. They won't care about the contract, hell it doesn't expire for 6+ mos anyway. Southwest has been negotiating for 3 years and their mgmt. couldn't care less. RA and EB will just shut all contract talks down, we wouldn't hear from them. That is what RA did in 96 when he was the #2 guy at NW. Please don't forget RA was Lorenzo's protégé.
They only reason DL got such a fine contract in 2000 was it was on the backs of UALs work. Sure they 777 rate came first as the Delta dot, but UAL didn't want a strike and the MEC chairman orchestrated a semi-meltdown of UAL in order to secure the fantastic rates.
I think we are risking a lot here for a small potential reward. I don't like the TA, but it is the best contract in the industry. UAL and AMR already have the 75% OE pull. Nothing in life is perfect, that's why I'm voting yes. I am taking the calculated, conservative approach by voting that way.
I respect those who will vote note, hopefully my views will be respected here.
They only reason DL got such a fine contract in 2000 was it was on the backs of UALs work. Sure they 777 rate came first as the Delta dot, but UAL didn't want a strike and the MEC chairman orchestrated a semi-meltdown of UAL in order to secure the fantastic rates.
I think we are risking a lot here for a small potential reward. I don't like the TA, but it is the best contract in the industry. UAL and AMR already have the 75% OE pull. Nothing in life is perfect, that's why I'm voting yes. I am taking the calculated, conservative approach by voting that way.
I respect those who will vote note, hopefully my views will be respected here.
06-18-2015, 01:13 PM
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I am a former NW guy and I am voting yes. I have seen this show before (circa 96-98) with these guys. If we vote this down they will string us out for 3 years. We will never see the 8% from JUL 1 to the end of the year. They won't care about the contract, hell it doesn't expire for 6+ mos anyway. Southwest has been negotiating for 3 years and their mgmt. couldn't care less. RA and EB will just shut all contract talks down, we wouldn't hear from them. That is what RA did in 96 when he was the #2 guy at NW. Please don't forget RA was Lorenzo's protégé.
They only reason DL got such a fine contract in 2000 was it was on the backs of UALs work. Sure they 777 rate came first as the Delta dot, but UAL didn't want a strike and the MEC chairman orchestrated a semi-meltdown of UAL in order to secure the fantastic rates.
I think we are risking a lot here for a small potential reward. I don't like the TA, but it is the best contract in the industry. UAL and AMR already have the 75% OE pull. Nothing in life is perfect, that's why I'm voting yes. I am taking the calculated, conservative approach by voting that way.
I respect those who will vote note, hopefully my views will be respected here.
They only reason DL got such a fine contract in 2000 was it was on the backs of UALs work. Sure they 777 rate came first as the Delta dot, but UAL didn't want a strike and the MEC chairman orchestrated a semi-meltdown of UAL in order to secure the fantastic rates.
I think we are risking a lot here for a small potential reward. I don't like the TA, but it is the best contract in the industry. UAL and AMR already have the 75% OE pull. Nothing in life is perfect, that's why I'm voting yes. I am taking the calculated, conservative approach by voting that way.
I respect those who will vote note, hopefully my views will be respected here.
Next time they come back for more.
AVL 85 hours 100% LCA
Only 10 days sick a year. More 76 seater airplane. Vacation + training back to c2012 levels. P.S. only 6% up to 6 billion
Next negotiated cycle the company might just be squeaking by so they ask for all this for 5/3/3/3. Would you vote yes just because you want those 5%.
If not now then when. Grow a pair.
06-18-2015, 01:15 PM
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I am a former NW guy and I am voting yes. I have seen this show before (circa 96-98) with these guys. If we vote this down they will string us out for 3 years. We will never see the 8% from JUL 1 to the end of the year. They won't care about the contract, hell it doesn't expire for 6+ mos anyway. Southwest has been negotiating for 3 years and their mgmt. couldn't care less. RA and EB will just shut all contract talks down, we wouldn't hear from them. That is what RA did in 96 when he was the #2 guy at NW. Please don't forget RA was Lorenzo's protégé.
They only reason DL got such a fine contract in 2000 was it was on the backs of UALs work. Sure they 777 rate came first as the Delta dot, but UAL didn't want a strike and the MEC chairman orchestrated a semi-meltdown of UAL in order to secure the fantastic rates.
I think we are risking a lot here for a small potential reward. I don't like the TA, but it is the best contract in the industry. UAL and AMR already have the 75% OE pull. Nothing in life is perfect, that's why I'm voting yes. I am taking the calculated, conservative approach by voting that way.
I respect those who will vote note, hopefully my views will be respected here.
They only reason DL got such a fine contract in 2000 was it was on the backs of UALs work. Sure they 777 rate came first as the Delta dot, but UAL didn't want a strike and the MEC chairman orchestrated a semi-meltdown of UAL in order to secure the fantastic rates.
I think we are risking a lot here for a small potential reward. I don't like the TA, but it is the best contract in the industry. UAL and AMR already have the 75% OE pull. Nothing in life is perfect, that's why I'm voting yes. I am taking the calculated, conservative approach by voting that way.
I respect those who will vote note, hopefully my views will be respected here.
I, personally, don't like paying for my own raise. To each their own.
06-18-2015, 02:13 PM
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Am really getting tired of finding things I do not like with this TA, getting really old.
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