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Old 06-03-2015, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Klondike Bear
Nope and that's not my point. The point is those were the guys that were affected the most by stagnation. From 2011 to 2014 there was no movement.

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Well, I was furloughed for 4 1/2 years, so I guess that's me. Cool. Although, from 2011 to 2015 I went from 90% to 40% in NYC 7ERB and actually right at the end, NYC M88A is over 1000 numbers junior to me. I'd say that was some movement.
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Old 06-03-2015, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
Well, I was furloughed for 4 1/2 years, so I guess that's me. Cool. Although, from 2011 to 2015 I went from 90% to 40% in NYC 7ERB and actually right at the end, NYC M88A is over 1000 numbers junior to me. I'd say that was some movement.
That's awesome. It was not that way for me in ATL though. I am glad it worked out for you, as a guy that had been furloughed I am glad you are finally moving up. Those of us that weren't furloughed can't understand how bad that had to be. You guys really got hosed for awhile.
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Old 06-03-2015, 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
Was anyone displaced off a WB between 2011 and 2015 than wasn't caused by the company opening or closing categories?
Were any pilots laid off involuntarily between 2011 and 2015?
What about moving from block holder to rsv?
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Old 06-03-2015, 04:44 PM
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I had a Tsquare sighting on my jumpseat yesterday. As advertised, he's a nice guy.
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Old 06-03-2015, 04:52 PM
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Damn newK,

I take my son to 1 or 2 Ranger games a year and your white sox are drilling us. Should've come last night😭
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Old 06-03-2015, 05:20 PM
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I was left reading the memo about the JV grievance going "go on?!" I'll reserve judgement to see what else is in the settlement.

The widebody block hours lost should be straight forward to calculate, and thus how much money it actually cost us as a pilot group. Additionally, it will be interesting what scope changes/penalties/gives are included.
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Old 06-03-2015, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
I had a Tsquare sighting on my jumpseat yesterday. As advertised, he's a nice guy.
Hey he's good with the ladies...



So he must be nice.
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Old 06-03-2015, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by iceman49
What about moving from block holder to rsv?
I went from senior rsv/junior lineholder on a widebody to unable to even hold weekends off on rsv on a narrowbody...

Scope scope scope...
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Old 06-03-2015, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
How much? As in money?

You're missing the point. We should have gone to System Board with the specific remedy of either the cancellation of the JV, or the forced increase of EASK's by Delta as per the contract. You can put monetary penalties in all other sections of our contract...but NOT scope. Unions are supposed to be about protecting jobs, not selling jobs.
I think you might be missing the point: Neither or us can predict how an arbitrator will decide. Example - In 1990 we had a slam-dunk grievance on 747 S/O's flying over the FAR's at NWA. The company was making guys fly over 140 hours in a 30-day period.

We lost.

Until released from OE, or if another S/O was present on the flight deck, the arbitrator determined the company could fly us over the FAR's.

And I believe you're incorrect on monetary damages for Scope violations. Our NWA contract had a clause that required "...half the revenue generated by…" as a penalty in Section 1.E.
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Old 06-03-2015, 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
I went from senior rsv/junior lineholder on a widebody to unable to even hold weekends off on rsv on a narrowbody...

Scope scope scope...
Exactly!!!
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