BenderRodriguez

I tried that the other day. It was pretty good.

CMG closed at $622.16 today. Can you believe that? A burito company $600/share. Crazy

Professor

I can. It shows how high for clean healthy food is in the marketplace. And how underserved that segment is.

80ktsClamp

We agree again. Love you, t.

Sink r8

Thanks for reacting to the question. I’m sorry you feel I’m clumsily trying to bait you. To be honest, I do feel like you’re dancing a bit around this one, because I think you don’t have a good answer. I don’t think there is a real good answer for leaks.

I’ve been thinking a lot about the stories we’re being force-fed, and the way they’re being supported by rumors and leaks. I categorize the rumors in two varieties:

1) True
2) False

False, we all understand is BS, and politically-motivated, but what if they’re true? What exactly would be leaked, if the rumors are true? Well, the rumors purport to be describing the intent of the majority. The majority runs the show, so… the rumors purport to be describing, well, our intentions. That’s pretty valuable stuff. If guys are leaking true stuff about the majority’s intentions, they’re leaking very valuable stuff. If you say “the majority wants to agree to concessions”, and you’re not lying, then you’re telegraphing our intentions, and Mike Campbell is grateful. If you say “99whatever” is coming, you’re helping Mike.

True = valuable
False = lying

Leaks are either false (lying), or true (expensive).

gzsg

Is debate good?

Is information power?

Last round I knew we were.going to make scope concessions. This time it caught be flat footed. Maybe the rumors are not true. If they are true, the line pilots deserve to provide input.

Was "Do you want to make scope concessions?" on the survey? I guess I missed it.

CDO redux.

SS different DALPA day.

GogglesPisano

If my objective is a min credit line, if not reserve, how would I word this in PBS? (All I see is "Else Next Bid Group.")

Check Essential

Campbell knows there's a majority on the MEC that wants to be "constructive".
That's our stated policy. Its not news to management.

The leaks serve a purpose.
The leaks are calculated to help the MEC figure out what will pass memrat.
The leaks help the MEC figure out which of these proposed concessions the line pilots think are reasonable.
They've probably got more useful "feedback" in the last 10 days than anything the survey could tell them. Most of these rumored concessions weren't even on the survey.

I just want to make sure there's not a repeat of C2012. I want to make sure its the MEC that makes the decisions this time and not just the administration and the semi-permanent "career ALPA" guys who are always hovering around the MEC.

Sink r8

A week or two ago, when curiosity was rampant, the leaks were ostensibly packaged as an effort by the heroic minority to change votes, so that the evil majority wouldn't give away the farm. Since we all want to know what's happening at every turn of negotiations, we all read with interest.

Now that the hangover has passed, and maybe pilots are starting to wonder about the liabilities of leaks and rumors, suddenly it's the MEC that's leaking so that it knows how much it can concede?

Implausible, and it makes the guys that were propagating and pushing leaks look like liars in hindsight. Either the leaks are true (and valuable), or they're lies.

I think that instead of marketing leaks and rumors one way then another the next, we should let the process be followed, and avoid leaks. I think most everyone understands that rumors and leaks offer a very short-term satisfaction, but they leave us all poorer over the long run.

Gunfighter

So based on APC feedback to leaks, the MEC now knows:
1. Don't even think about touching PS. PS is our payback for more than a decade of concessions.
2. We will revolt over one more seat, mile or passenger of scope relief.
3. Add a little more pay and credit to vacation and we will be content.
4. Touch the already concessionary sick leave one more time and we will vote no.
5. Another 1-2% into DPSP would be nice.
6. We didn't create the training problem, in fact we tried to prevent it. Don't ask us to fix it without LOTS of $$$$.

7. Based on the rumors, we will vote "NO" to the TA, keep what we have and update pay rates to to AA/UAL every 18 mos.

Gunfighter

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