Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-26-2015, 12:01 PM
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I'm not completely convinced of that.
With "constructive engagement" as Dalpa's prevalent strategy, I think it's a safe bet that Delta management has significant "contacts" at fairly high levels within Dalpa.
I'm of the opinion that management is completely aware of what the MEC majority has accepted, whether or not it's on a forum.
With "constructive engagement" as Dalpa's prevalent strategy, I think it's a safe bet that Delta management has significant "contacts" at fairly high levels within Dalpa.
I'm of the opinion that management is completely aware of what the MEC majority has accepted, whether or not it's on a forum.
Unless, of course, the leaks are BS, and the leakers are liars. I couldn't quite get a response from you on the other thread, btw. Do the leaks constitute true (hence valuable) information, or not?
05-26-2015, 12:03 PM
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I think your question about lining up for/against a TA that's not on the table is valid and pertinent. There is something wrong with lining up on either side of it in advance. You're an observant guy, also a guy skeptical of any sales-jobs. I think that's the reason you've commented mostly on guys appearing on one side of the "debate". There have been a lot of new posters on here lately, and up until recently, they all dovetailed far more into the "early rejection" side than the "early acceptance" camp. From my viewpoint, there has been a ton of deliberate, premature commentary designed specifically to set up some reps to look like heroes, others to look like villains. We can do a little post hunting if you want examples. It's all political stuff. It's all borderline obscene, embarrassing, and certainly quite expensive to all of us.
What I'm interested in, is that the process is followed, the pilots get to make the call, and we don't step on our own cranks at the negotiating table over political infighting. The MEC/NC need to be allowed to deliver the best product they possibly can, then we must judge the results in a critical and deliberate manner. I think that's what we should focus on.
What I'm interested in, is that the process is followed, the pilots get to make the call, and we don't step on our own cranks at the negotiating table over political infighting. The MEC/NC need to be allowed to deliver the best product they possibly can, then we must judge the results in a critical and deliberate manner. I think that's what we should focus on.
The economy is going to collapse in 18 months.
And Delta is going to have to pay taxes when the NOLs run out.
Nevermind that the economy is just warming up and the best economists in the world see steady growth.
Nevermind management has a plan to offshore to mitiage taxes.
Same stuff, different day.
If it's a good deal, why threaten and swear at reps?
A handful of company kool aid drinkers control this union.
Will the pilots fall for another C2012 or will they take a stand and remove them all??
05-26-2015, 12:15 PM
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So to be clear you would find it offensive and unacceptable if the pro side had all its minions calling and harassing the swing vote reps with statements like:
The economy is going to collapse in 18 months.
It is possible, probably not likely, but certainly possible
And Delta is going to have to pay taxes when the NOLs run out.
True statement
Nevermind that the economy is just warming up and the best economists in the world see steady growth.
You can find just as many that say the opposite. That's what makes a market. Or, if economists were so damned smart, why aren't they all filthy rich?
Nevermind management has a plan to offshore to mitiage taxes.
Prove this
Same stuff, different day.
If it's a good deal, why threaten and swear at reps?
Agreed with both the above although I have no idea who was swearing at whom. You got pictures?
A handful of company kool aid drinkers control this union.
meh
Will the pilots fall for another C2012 or will they take a stand and remove them all??
By all means, panic now and beat the rush.
The economy is going to collapse in 18 months.
It is possible, probably not likely, but certainly possible
And Delta is going to have to pay taxes when the NOLs run out.
True statement
Nevermind that the economy is just warming up and the best economists in the world see steady growth.
You can find just as many that say the opposite. That's what makes a market. Or, if economists were so damned smart, why aren't they all filthy rich?
Nevermind management has a plan to offshore to mitiage taxes.
Prove this
Same stuff, different day.
If it's a good deal, why threaten and swear at reps?
Agreed with both the above although I have no idea who was swearing at whom. You got pictures?
A handful of company kool aid drinkers control this union.
meh
Will the pilots fall for another C2012 or will they take a stand and remove them all??
By all means, panic now and beat the rush.
05-26-2015, 12:31 PM
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Sure. Let's do. If we don't hedge, we pay spot price. Dougie looks like a genius doing that since crude fell off a cliff. Had it not done so, he would be paying way more than everybody else. Since we have the refinery, we still have an advantage Dougie is I am not mistaken. It's a cost of doing business, nothing nefarious or inept to see here other than some bad timing.
The price of gas has gone up nearly 75 cents a gallon this past month. Let's hope we hedged at the low point, and maybe Douchey Parker will lose his a$$.
05-26-2015, 12:32 PM
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Taxes.
Read the transcript form the last two quarters. Question asked. RA confirmed but said they are not ready to share details.
WRT to the economy.
Wages are up. Unemployment is down. Housing prices are up.
Fear mongering about a down economy is getting old. This group will do anything and say anything to carry water for management.
There is no reason to make concessions during record profits. Day one we have DALPA leaders pleading for management desired concessions.
I was on board. MD and the NC were saying all the right things. Now we have deterioriated to the same as last time.
Committee chairman do not get to yell and swear at reps. They work for the reps, as does the MEC chairman.
A "historic " agreeement does not need threatening. It does not need predictions of black swans.
It should be an easy yes for every reps.
Getting another min run C2012 is a huge mistake.
Let's hope for the easy yes for all of us.
Read the transcript form the last two quarters. Question asked. RA confirmed but said they are not ready to share details.
WRT to the economy.
Wages are up. Unemployment is down. Housing prices are up.
Fear mongering about a down economy is getting old. This group will do anything and say anything to carry water for management.
There is no reason to make concessions during record profits. Day one we have DALPA leaders pleading for management desired concessions.
I was on board. MD and the NC were saying all the right things. Now we have deterioriated to the same as last time.
Committee chairman do not get to yell and swear at reps. They work for the reps, as does the MEC chairman.
A "historic " agreeement does not need threatening. It does not need predictions of black swans.
It should be an easy yes for every reps.
Getting another min run C2012 is a huge mistake.
Let's hope for the easy yes for all of us.
05-26-2015, 12:33 PM
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IMO this rumor is spot on. The shadow MEC is alive and well. They crafted this leak with management and probably have the votes in the bag to pass this self funding POS. Another rush job filled with unnecessary concessions. Not the least of which will be helping management pay zero for the KLM/AF grievance.
Before the body is cold our execs will say it was cost neutral and their 2016 labor costs will increase less than 2%. The usual suspects will say management has to lie to the shareholders like this, but we really won!!
We can turn the tide like we did for CDOs, but the pilots in ATL, SLC, LAX and SEA have to make the calls. These reps hold our futures.
Before the body is cold our execs will say it was cost neutral and their 2016 labor costs will increase less than 2%. The usual suspects will say management has to lie to the shareholders like this, but we really won!!
We can turn the tide like we did for CDOs, but the pilots in ATL, SLC, LAX and SEA have to make the calls. These reps hold our futures.
If I saw statements like these, I would think that pilots from other councils are trying to influence mine, and telling me how to vote, so yes, I would find it offensive and unacceptable. As far as statements guys are making at the MEC level to influence one another, I would imagine the histrionics can get a little silly, yes. I wouldn't expect to hear whining from any rep on APC, however that they're getting pressure. I would expect any of these guys to have the fortitude to solve these things privately.
05-26-2015, 12:37 PM
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How about we all change to our real names until after MEMRAT?
Then we can all go back to being secret squirrels?
Then we can all go back to being secret squirrels?
05-26-2015, 12:48 PM
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05-26-2015, 01:50 PM
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I'm hesitant to constructively engage here (see what I did?--do you? because its like the company 'Delta'...and the way the union 'DALPA' supposedly work together? Do you get it now?) Anyway, I was told the best jokes were the ones you have to explain a lot.
Nevertheless, I call your attention to the BOLD words above. The BOLD words above are where to I call your attention all! Timbo, brother...buddy! If you had a time machine all along you could have just said. There is all sorts of stuff we could do! Kill Hitler (duh!?), go see what all the fuss about the Helen of Troy chick was, get in on some of the VJ day action in New York (little hot grandmas at 21 time travel action!) and then we could go be pilots at Pan Am together in 1961. Leave all this muck and mire of the TA behind.
But on the off chance you don't have a time machine...WHY ARE YOU SCARED OF SOMETHING THAT HASN'T HAPPENED?
Unless you have a TA that I don't (and I don't have a TA....T&A, maybe...I'll check my browser history)...we don't know if there are concessions or huge paydays ahead. Live in the now my friend. Live. In. The. Now.
Let's debate the TA once we have one. Not disasterize (I made that word up, like it?) what we don't know yet.
But seriously if you do have a time machine I really really want to do some stuff.
Nevertheless, I call your attention to the BOLD words above. The BOLD words above are where to I call your attention all! Timbo, brother...buddy! If you had a time machine all along you could have just said. There is all sorts of stuff we could do! Kill Hitler (duh!?), go see what all the fuss about the Helen of Troy chick was, get in on some of the VJ day action in New York (little hot grandmas at 21 time travel action!) and then we could go be pilots at Pan Am together in 1961. Leave all this muck and mire of the TA behind.
But on the off chance you don't have a time machine...WHY ARE YOU SCARED OF SOMETHING THAT HASN'T HAPPENED?
Unless you have a TA that I don't (and I don't have a TA....T&A, maybe...I'll check my browser history)...we don't know if there are concessions or huge paydays ahead. Live in the now my friend. Live. In. The. Now.
Let's debate the TA once we have one. Not disasterize (I made that word up, like it?) what we don't know yet.
But seriously if you do have a time machine I really really want to do some stuff.
05-26-2015, 02:13 PM
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Real turd? really? And yes it is better to let them know.
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