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Old 05-24-2015, 06:41 AM
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How the hell is that to code?
It's to ALPA code... see... it has a tub. That apparently is the acceptable standard.
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Old 05-24-2015, 06:45 AM
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I've seen the Park Plaza go through at least two cycles of good and bad. That happens to hotels. They depreciate over a few years, switch owners, get new loans and remodel. The thing with the Park Plaza is the location. Super quick from the airport now that the big dig is done and a choice location. It really was one of the best domestic hotels we had at one time, before we ever stayed at embassy suites or the new Marriotts. The Benson out in PDX and the Mayflower in SEA, the Palmer House in Chicago, the Captain Cook in ANC, the Skydome in Toronto and the Biltmore in Miami were all top layover spots. The rest were a mixture of mom and pop hotels, skeezy chain joints, and run of the mill Holiday Inn types. Plus the occasional oddball Red Lion, usually in the Western system. NYC got pretty bad, the Mildew and the Penn were easily the worst in the system. Scary bad. Hopefully the Park Plaza will get another facelift soon. If it's getting bad, then definitely write it up. I'm not sure that another downtown alternative will be any better though, I don't think DL will spring for the W, unfortunately
According to the limo drivers, United stays at a nice place not far away. Most of them seem shocked we stay at the Plaza. I do write it up... but then Truman Era furnishings have never been my thing...nor is crawling under a table to unplug the alarm clock so I can charge my EFB.
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Old 05-24-2015, 07:04 AM
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I so want on chit chat. Still nothing.

15% per year for 4 years?
Think 15% total over 4 years not per year, but we all know that would never even get considered…..
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Old 05-24-2015, 07:14 AM
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I so want on chit chat. Still nothing.

15% per year for 4 years?
I will have no problem voting no to anything that even smacks of what's being discussed over there. I don't expect anything less than 'historic', and if it doesn't meet the smell test, it's going in the can. Mine is but one vote however...

No concessions, big raise, better work rules.
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Old 05-24-2015, 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
I will have no problem voting no to anything that even smacks of what's being discussed over there. I don't expect anything less than 'historic', and if it doesn't meet the smell test, it's going in the can. Mine is but one vote however...

No concessions, big raise, better work rules.

Agree 100%. The rumors over there must be company leaked to lower expectations because if even a few are true there is no way it will ever pass memory rat.

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Old 05-24-2015, 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
I will have no problem voting no to anything that even smacks of what's being discussed over there. I don't expect anything less than 'historic', and if it doesn't meet the smell test, it's going in the can. Mine is but one vote however...

No concessions, big raise, better work rules.
Vote no all you want. You'll end up getting what an arbitrator decides is best, not what you want. A judge will give you "average", not "historic".
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Old 05-24-2015, 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
Agree 100%. The rumors over there must be company leaked to lower expectations because if even a few are true there is no way it will ever pass memory rat.

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I can only shake my head at what I've read over there. I'm not even sure it's not just some pot-stirring by a few people. Anyway, I couldn't care less. This business, this industry, this company is ludicrously profitable. What do you think Goldman-Sachs or JP Morgan pays their people in the 'up' years? I will hang my head in shame if we don't capitalize on this opportunity. I truly will. If we can't share in the boom times, then why even do this? You know when things get tough again, we'll get another haircut. It's not like it's anything like it used to be anyway. Domestic trips are insanely tiring and subject to reroutes. The flying itself is way more involved, all the VNAV crap and heads down time, programming and 'it's on you' clearances with multiple speed interventions and runway changes, guaranteed wake turbulence encounters because of reduced spacing. Hey, what more can we do for you???!!! International flying is still pretty good, but if it won't pay, it's not worth the damage to your body.
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Old 05-24-2015, 07:34 AM
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Vote no all you want. You'll end up getting what an arbitrator decides is best, not what you want. A judge will give you "average", not "historic".
You can bet I will!

And I don't need a judge to get 'average', that's already in the contract. As is my profit sharing. Don't touch.

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Old 05-24-2015, 07:35 AM
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Thanks, Alan. I could not find the language.
I just found the Golden Day language, if anyone's interested ...

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Old 05-24-2015, 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
The Benson out in PDX and the Mayflower in SEA, the Palmer House in Chicago, the Captain Cook in ANC, the Skydome in Toronto and the Biltmore in Miami were all top layover spots.
For a while, we also had the St. Francis in SFO. You knew a hotel was above our normal standard when the dining room was so expensive that no pilot would eat there.
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