gzsg

TIME VALUE OF CONCESSIONS

Vote yes for concessions or we will have to wait 39 months to be offered these concessions again.

gzsg

We rejected the CDOs in the FAR 117 LOA and got a better deal in 10 minutes.

Management's hair is on fire for a deal. If we reject it, we will get a better deal in 24 hours. Just like C2012. We gave way too much in unnecessary concessions and not enough gains.

Let's not make the same mistake again.

Gunfighter

Patience, discipline and enough emotional strength to wait for what the facts point to is how we lock in gains. The WS/GS is a perfect analogy. The GS isn't a guarantee, but it is a calculated risk with a substantial return.

With respect to SWA, UPS, FDX, I'd say over the long haul, it has worked exceptionally well. You've selected three of the highest paid pilot groups for the last decade or more which also have some of the strongest scope clauses. If we had the patience and fortitude they have, we may get the industry leading contract DALPA has promised.

How many UPS and FedEx boxes flew on foreign carriers last year? How many more widebody captains are wearing UPS and FDX uniforms as a result of their scope. Have you ever seen a SWA airplane painted in concessionary code share colors? What percentage of passengers buying a ticket from SWA fly on SWA? How does that percentage compare to DAL?

We could have those long term wins that take this from a job to a career if as a group we had the long term focus and strength to only vote YES when we really mean it.

If our scope clause, pay rates, work rules, per diem, international override and retirement looked like the three companies you just pointed out, I think even Carl might vote YES.

Timbo

Vote YES for JV Concessions now, so you can avoid going to Wide Body International school later!

And just think of the fun you'll be having on the 757 replacement jet, the 737!

Double the concessions, Double the Fun!

WooHoo!

Hey, somebody has to fly those JV International flights, might as well be somebody else!

horrido27

LOL
I wish!
Less than 40%. Also, nothing with regards to incentives for supporting the merger. No Stocks, no "bonus", nothing except (I believe) 25000 miles that expired before I could even use them!

The union infighting, lack of Leadership at the top of ALPA and a management team that felt that they "didn't need Labor", plus a large group of pilots who were fearful.. got us 40% of retro~

We'll get them next time
(LOL)
Motch

sailingfun

Actually we rearranged the deck chairs and traded the CDO's for delayed payment on the 5:15 to NOV. The CDO's were not high on the companies wish list either. The agreement reached made them very expensive.

Trip7

40%? Couldn't be. According to Carl, Scambo, PD etc "historically" retro is dated back to the contract amendable date. Surely if we fight for the next three years for a 46% raise+ status quo profit sharing, and no work rule givebacks, we'll also get a 100% 3 year retro check.

gzsg

Glad CDOs are not on the companies list for C2015.

If C2015 does not live up to the MEC's "historic" commitment, we need to reject it. We will have a new and better deal in 48 hours.

Why the rush job? IDK, but I do know management is in a hurry and that is leverage.

Hawaii50

Miles? Sweet. Thanks for the input here.
All the best to you guys.

shiznit

Disagree on the WS/GS. In fact it hosed me just last month. Waited for the GS and they ended up sending FOUR rotations to OOB RES and the in base pilots with a GS in ended up with nothing. Nonroations went out on WS or GS for the next three days. Ouch, but YMMV.

As to your UPS/FDX/SWA contract tidbits, please try not to change the subject, I am referring to their pace of negotiations in Section 6 under the RLA, and how the NMB is handling their situations.


(As an aside, like you, I see things those three have that would be nice here, but I definitely dislike other parts.)