DeadHead

The sure thing isn't anywhere near worth the gamble of what we'd be giving away.

So essentially we can either make strides in compensation or profit sharing, but not both. The rumored agreement doesn't even come close to making strides in either.

forgot to bid

so you want guaranteed pay over ps? So you're willing to give up ps for a number? Why do that?

They'd love that so much more than you demanding 36k more a year and ps % unchanged.

Cogf16

Does the rumored agreement reduce PS substantially? If so, 9/6/4/4 won't pass

hockeypilot44

It will pass. It always passes.

DeadHead

I believe it shifts 10% threshold up to $4.5 billion.

Basically concedes $200 million in profit sharing if we make more than 4.5 billion in profits.

forgot to bid

So less W2 but more guaranteed?

So 9644 with say 10% ps would be equal to like this year's rate plus 2% pay raise multiplied against last year's ps %?

forgot to bid

Maybe the company taking profits to decrease pay to the pilots is the 2015 version of they'll gladly keep the CR2s and order unlimited 400Qs over 717s?

Imapilot2

9644....no. i dont think anyone will go for that crap. Billion and billions of profit...time to recoup

Ragtop Day

For the record, I am generally very opposed to touching the profit sharing formula. That being said moving the lower band can easily be calculated. I would consider lukewarmly accepting it if we are paid a premium. If they show the math and determine that the lower band concession is worth 3% W2, but give us 6% for it I might be ok with it.

Why the premium? Because the pilots will be used as scapegoats for the rest of the company just like last time. When the company puts out the memo changing profit sharing for everyone, somewhere in there will be a line telling employees how smart we were to do this and the rest of the employees should follow along....probably along with a big headline touting the raise they were going to get anyways. Without unions on the property, the company can change the payout (for non pilots) at will, but they reducing it would be bad for business. If they can show pilots leading the way, it is much easier to smooth over. The cost savings for them would be huge, and we should get part of it. Also, don't blend it in with other raises, separate it out so we can make in informed decision.

That all being said, the rest of the contract needs to be solid. Sure they are just rumors, I will need to see much better than what has been leaked (?) to even consider a yes vote.

LivingTheDream

I have sent the following email to my reps and the mec. These are my mins and only mine. I would strongly suggest that all posters and lurkers update with their own lists, or be satisfied with what ever comes...

H,

After the historic concessions we have given (the greatest being the loss of our pensions, which will be life altering for most of us and will continue to save Delta billions going forward) I cannot accept anything less than what I have listed.

I am sending my list with my reasoning for each item.

1. Not one penny change in profit sharing. Period. Not below 2.5B. Not above 2.5B.

(Profit sharing is compensation for the draconian concessions of the past 10yrs… the greatest being the loss of pensions. It is not part of any pay formula going forward.)

2. 2004 rates on day one plus 5% per year thereafter.

(This is entirely reasonable, considering that this doesn’t even include 10yrs of inflation.)

3. Vacation/training days pay 5:15/day.

(Recapturing some of those lost years of inflation.)

4. 3% DC day one plus 1% per year thereafter.

(Recapturing some of the lost pension.)

5. No minimum hours per month.

(Allows the scheduling flexibility/individual choice to offset the ever increasing ALV’s, and other productivity “improvements”.)

6. Increase unverified sick leave to 200hrs.

(It is a complete embarrassment that I am entrusted with thousands of lives each year, yet I cannot be trusted to call in sick… my doctor could not believe a person at my level of responsibility was being required to obtain a “sick note”.)

7. Greatly decrease jv/code share/rj flying. Return flying to Delta Pilots.

8. Raise our medium wide body rates to match/exceed American’s large wide body rates. It is obvious Delta will not become a large wide body airline and very few of us will ever see the 777 rates.

(American has over 120 a/c at their top rate, United has over 70, we have 18!)

9. No concessions to scheduling. Period.

(I don’t think my health can take any more “efficiencies”!)


Those of us that have been here for a while, have sacrificed greatly to allow Delta to survive/thrive. It’s long past time for Delta to reward us for those sacrifices. If the company wants incremental increases with incremental concessions, I say absolutely no! How much have our executives had to “give back” for each one of their contract improvements?... I’m guessing not one thing. Let’s “wind the clock”. Ps/time is on our sides… I can easily live for the next years under the current contract.

We are in an unprecedented era… 4B, 6B, 10B profits… all while paying our debt down to nearly zero. Delta has lost billions in hedges, bought back hundreds of millions in stock, paid tens of millions to exec’s… it is our time.

Also respectively,

John
7ERA