Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-02-2015, 06:02 AM
Straight QOL, homie
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You just got hired here, and you constantly bleat about why we should give up QOL to solve the company's problems. Why?
05-02-2015, 06:10 AM
looking for underboob
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If I bid a trip it belongs to me. If the company wants to use my seat then pay me to release me. I now have the option staying put. IF I see a trip I like and want to fly that trip it should be at my doing not the company.
I see this as the company wants this change but I'm sure it will go out the window as a good faith to get other things
05-02-2015, 06:13 AM
looking for underboob
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If we loose something we will not get it back when times are bad.
05-02-2015, 06:27 AM
Banned
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Not to mention the staffing implication. Would we let Delta staff the FO positions to a lower number derived from removing an assumed amount of OE flying from the staffing formula? If so, you need fewer FOs in each position. If not, you get some number of FOs who now get pushed to reserve because of the removal of those trips.
Unacceptable, IMO.
Unacceptable, IMO.
If that is the companies goal to hire less and they pay everyone more for the right, doesn't it come down to how much?
I mean if they offered an LOA today for this change in exchange for 10% pay raise for everyone, who doesn't think that wouldn't pass?
So everything that the company would want, we call a "concession" but does have a price in negotiations.
05-02-2015, 07:15 AM
veut gagner à la loterie
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Only extremely senior first officers are flying with line check airman right now (top 10 percent in category). If you look at the top bids in PBS, every single one of the senior guys try to make every single one of their trips with a LCA to take a chance that some of their trips will be bought. If you change it back to recovery obligations, flying with LCA will go junior again. Everyone first officer on the list will br affected by this change.
I mean a cursory look at the 88 reasons report and I see guys in the 35% range getting LCA, but to have your entire line bought out from under you and picking up GS, that requires some seniority.
Which basically means we have something and they're asking that we have less of it. So why are we doing concessions?
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05-02-2015, 07:17 AM
veut gagner à la loterie
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Not sure why anyone wants to give an inch on this one unless you really really think "well I don't get to benefit so..." Maybe for a new hire that's the case.
05-02-2015, 07:29 AM
veut gagner à la loterie
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05-02-2015, 07:42 AM
Works Every Weekend
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05-02-2015, 07:52 AM
Gets Weekends Off
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Only extremely senior first officers are flying with line check airman right now (top 10 percent in category). If you look at the top bids in PBS, every single one of the senior guys try to make every single one of their trips with a LCA to take a chance that some of their trips will be bought. If you change it back to recovery obligations, flying with LCA will go junior again. Everyone first officer on the list will br affected by this change.
Perhaps if they did get this concession from us it would benefit FOs in anther way as well: Super senior FOs bidding up to captain thus improving the seniority of the bottom 90%.
05-02-2015, 07:58 AM
Back on TDY
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