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Old 04-29-2015, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by LeineLodge
Does it help? Who knows

Can it hurt? Nope.

I fill them out because I have seen (first hand) politicians inquire as to how many of our members support a given issue. It gives our government affairs guys more ammo when they are in there dealing with (sometimes) irrational, (nearly always) short-sighted, self-serving politicians that only seek to please the highest bidder OR the one that can offer them votes/influence/support.

We are at a severe disadvantage in DC because "they" will always have deeper pockets. We need every edge we can get, and then it still might not be enough.

Good on you Diesel for seeing the importance of these issues, even as a "Delta noooob." I think we may have met about a month ago. War Eagle?

Ten, thanks for filling it out again. It is a pita, but worth our time.
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They are easy to send out. I received an auto response from my representatives.
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Old 04-29-2015, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Ok Carl, so how do you explain the huge increase in pilot costs over the last 3 years or is Delta management forging their financial reports?
Focus now sailingfun, I want you to really focus: Where does Delta management list pilot costs in their financial reports?

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Old 04-29-2015, 04:47 PM
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Careful, Carl. If sailingfud's company-provided talking points are debunked--if he's forced to give a straight answer to your quite succinct questions--the fallout may be worse than Raymond missing Judge Wapner.
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Old 04-29-2015, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Focus now sailingfun, I want you to really focus: Where does Delta management list pilot costs in their financial reports?

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It's in the reports the company is required to file.
2.25 billion in 2011
2.48 in 2012
2.78 in 2013
2014 looks like tp it will come in above 3. Numbers should be out in a few weeks.

I find it interesting with a straight face you can claim pilot costs have not increased. Manning has not gone down yet Saleries are up almost 21% plus the increases in profit sharing.
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Old 04-29-2015, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
It's in the reports the company is required to file.
2.1 billion in 2011
2.25 in 2012
2.78 in 2013
2014,looks like tp it will come in above 3.
Where sailingfun? Where in the company's financial reports does it list pilot costs?

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Old 04-29-2015, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by CheapTrick
Andy Dufresne? Same Andy Dufresne that were abused by the Sisters down in the laundry? The guy that spent all that time down in solitary and was hung by the shirt collar four stories up. The Andy that was rich lawyer and then a forgotten convict? The one that crawled through a mile of human dung? The poor soul that caught Susan Sarandon on the downside? No, I don't want to be like Andy.
Of course, you do. You're ALREADY getting abused by the three Middle Eastern sisters, you've already gone from a very highly compensated profession, to, well... something less. And anywhere you look, there is a mile of crap.

Your mistake was to think that in my analogy, you're watching the movie. Actually, in my analogy you and I, and 12,000 more, are the inmates.

Write the letters, get the books.
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Old 04-29-2015, 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Where sailingfun? Where in the company's financial reports does it list pilot costs?

Carl
Do you dispute those numbers Carl?
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Old 04-29-2015, 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Do you dispute those numbers Carl?
What numbers sailingfun? Exactly what are the numbers you're stating and exactly where are they located in the company's financial reports?

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Old 04-29-2015, 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
What numbers sailingfun? Exactly what are the numbers you're stating and exactly where are they located in the company's financial reports?

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http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2...20AIRCRAFT.htm

I know you will say the numbers are wrong but they match up with the numbers I have seen going back to 01.
Again anyone with two touching brain cells can look at the increase in hourly rates combined with manning staying the same relative to block hours and know things are not cost neutral. When you add in the increase in PS to be cost Nuetral Delta would have had to furlough several thousand pilots.
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
Yet it appears that scope concessions are going to be part of any deal presented to us, if this article is to be believed. The fact that TSA and SKW have both aircraft already ordered would lead me to think that a deal has been informally agreed upon, and the details are all that's left. After all, our 717 order was contingent upon our agreeing to a contract. Here it would appear that agreement, in principal, has already been reached... these orders are booked.
Tough. Let those labor busting idiots choke on them and then we can swoop in and pick up the orders for cheap and fly them ourselves.
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