acl65pilot

Inclusive scope is the way to go. My comment on our record sucking is with getting a quid pro quo. (I would have like to see some mid-term improvements out of the AF/KLM/AF VJ. We got inclusive language but we did not anything else. Even those intimately familiar with the language state that it is marginally in our favor.)

IF we do a deal with JAL, a win for us IMHO is that all the contract jobs come to us as these contracts expire, better than a 60/40 split on the added flying out of the NRT hub and or any other added flying that would be defined as complimentary service. Also, I would like to see some financial deterrents to outsourcing. I would like to see a white page that both sides agree to how WE (us and them) interpret the language of the legalese of the deal.

The last comment is in direct response to the 76 seat scope settlement and the fact that we took the best option of what should have been a non-issue but we left the interpretation undefined and as a result had to redefine the boundaries.

As I stated many times Slow, I am for a JV or Code Share that is complimentary to our route structure, not supplementary. AS seems to be more of the latter these days, and I know you disagree, and that is fine.
Do define complimentary, I will keep it simple. It adds access for our customer to markets DAL would NEVER serve, not markets that are easier to outsource, and there is a difference.

acl65pilot

My thought have included this. We also want access to Haneda so if we can walk away with that and not JAL it is a win for the DAL brand, and a lot cheaper.

CVG767A

I'm pretty sure we've moved past that option, and are negotiating to take over terminal 4 right now.

Denny Crane

It all depends on what the meaning of "shared" is.

Denny

acl65pilot

I do not think that anyone disagrees that to a point. Fact is that we are allowing code shares, and as the economy to improve the JV's to take flying we once had. Great for the corporate money making machine, but not so good for the pilots' of this association and their career progression.

Point is that there needs to be a better balance than their is.

Going back to all of the DCI resets of PWA's of yesteryear that we kept hitting, why in the world do we agree to language that we know will not stand the stress test. Yes, that is gone, and thank God, I agree that what we have is better than that, but what have we created as the result. We have a DCI system that peaked at 62% of block hrs. In effect there was no where else to stick a RJ. Now they are being reduced and what are we doing to make sure the crud does not happen with a fourth generation RJ. Put a GTF on a 50 seater and we are back where we started.
The idea that this market is deal is a huge mistake in my opinion. We have a leadership team that sees most of DCI as we do. Let get their commitment on paper.

As for you previous question that I did not answer. My Plan is to sit there and not do our company's work. They want access to Haneda, great, we can agree that, that is good for both parties, but what it should not mean is that we give away the farm for them to get it. We bought NWA knowing that open skies was coming to Japan. If we did not see that coming both on the corporate side and the union side, then we need better tea leave readers. Now we are stuck with a NRT hub that may prove to be a flop if we do not gain Haneda access. What a surprise.
I agree that we are stuck with what we are stuck with, but there need to be major protections and qud pro quo in the deal. The Far East is the next Africa as China opens up. We need to protect what we as a company would logically do with out JAL, or Haneda. Simply put the growth expectations we have should remain the same and because JAL needs our billion dollars we should as a group get some major bennies for allowing the company changes in our section one to make it happen. i have stated what some starters should be.

I have also talked to our future C44 reps about this. The ones I have talked to agree that we need a WIN for the DAL pilot group. They as I realize the market is not static as you put it, but we also need to realize that to date we are the largest pilot group in the world attached to the airline with the best potential and because of that, we have a right to demand certain things. As I have said act our weight.

acl65pilot

Until the Port Authority has issued the bonds and we have broken ground no option is off the table.

acl65pilot

If you have Easy Bid you can access DBMS via their interface without going through DALnet.

acl65pilot

What Slow, you jump on interject a few things to lead the conversation your way then jump off. Nice.

Lifeisgood

If we get a stake in JAL and JAL joins skyteam... wouldn't that lead to downsizing of our NRT operation?


Maybe even closing it and a ton more other pilots will fly Delta passengers with Delta tickets?


Thanks

acl65pilot

That is why we need to protect ourselves. If could be good for the brand, but bad for the DAL pilots if we do not make darn for certain that we look out for ourselves.