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Old 04-21-2015, 03:09 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeF16
I can't wear my uniform into a bar the way doctors wear their scrubs to scream "I MAKE LOTS OF MONEY, CHICS OUT OF MY LEAGUE COME TALK TO ME NOW"
Must have been an Air Force learned bar procedure.
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Old 04-21-2015, 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
Must have been an Air Force learned bar procedure.
I'm not Shakespeare, but that's some incredibly poor syntax. The author must be a Citadel grad.

And a mic drop for that?

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Old 04-21-2015, 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeF16
edit: the real injustice between pilots and doctors: I can't wear my uniform into a bar the way doctors wear their scrubs to scream "I MAKE LOTS OF MONEY, CHICS OUT OF MY LEAGUE COME TALK TO ME NOW"
See, I've never had that issue, usually a FA tells me she has a cute granddaughter my age that is single.
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Old 04-21-2015, 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by JABDIP
Well I think that you need to take work rules and pay rates into consideration at the same time. NWA work rules and pay rates gave me a $1,000 higher gross pay check for the first 2 years under the Delta work rules and higher pay rates. I had to work or be away from home 34 more days the first year and 37 more days the second year to make the same pay check. My hours were exactly the same or within 10 - 20 hours per year. Work rules can be huge in terms of increasing pay. What would my paycheck have been had I worked 34 more days at NWA??? Plus we got time and a half for anything over 80 hours. Not saying that we had a better contract at all, just that we had a few good work rules that improved quality of life. In general, it seems that most everyone focuses on pay rates here, but I'm here to tell you that for me personally time away from home ranks right up there with pay rates. My slogan: MAX pay for MIN time away. However, there have been a lot of changes to deal with the main one being the god awful FAR 117. What a mess that is. It seems to me a few good work rules would increase the check and may not be so hard for the company to swallow. Who knows??
What NWA work rules were so much better? I didn't see much diff in rules except time and a half over 80 vs green slips. I think NWA got 75hrs res guarantee vs 70 DAL. Average hours of pay were around 84 as I recall with the NWA side about an hour higher. Wouldn't begin to compensate for rates 10% higher. Enlighten so we can negotiate for them. BTW, you are dead right that work rules can kill a contract. My AMR contacts think their new work rules are terrible. OFG
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Old 04-21-2015, 06:16 AM
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BTW, you are dead right that work rules can kill a contract. My AMR contacts think their new work rules are terrible. OFG
Agree re: the AMR work rules. Which begs the question why do we almost always bite off on QOL concessions for cheap? We seem to do it across the board.
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Old 04-21-2015, 06:18 AM
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I was done with this topic then on the top of my daily news list pops up this article.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/heres-...110000302.html

Weird. Seems this one is about what actual doctors that I know are making rather than sailings data that he got from the same site everyone gets global warming data.
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Old 04-21-2015, 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
I was done with this topic then on the top of my daily news list pops up this article.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/heres-...110000302.html

Weird. Seems this one is about what actual doctors that I know are making rather than sailings data that he got from the same site everyone gets global warming data.
And here is an idea of how much doctors pay for malpractice insurance.

"Malpractice Premium Spending
Your physician spends 10 cents on malpractice insurance from every dollar you pay for health care, according to Diana Furchtgott-Roth, a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute. Furchgott-Roth notes that premiums vary from $20,000 annually in low-cost states to $200,000 annually in high-cost states. According to a survey published November 2011 in "Modern Medicine," family and general practitioners paid premiums of $12,100, and pediatricians' premiums averaged $11,800. OB-GYNs paid an average of $46,400, and plastic surgeons reported median premiums averaging $30,000."
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Old 04-21-2015, 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by TeddyKGB
And here is an idea of how much doctors pay for malpractice insurance.

"Malpractice Premium Spending
Your physician spends 10 cents on malpractice insurance from every dollar you pay for health care, according to Diana Furchtgott-Roth, a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute. Furchgott-Roth notes that premiums vary from $20,000 annually in low-cost states to $200,000 annually in high-cost states. According to a survey published November 2011 in "Modern Medicine," family and general practitioners paid premiums of $12,100, and pediatricians' premiums averaged $11,800. OB-GYNs paid an average of $46,400, and plastic surgeons reported median premiums averaging $30,000."
And according to my neighbor who is an ortho surgeon, they negotiate that into their contracts with the hospitals they work in which in turn add that cost to the bill. He says for him, his insurance is minimal. That may not be the case everywhere and for every doctor though.

I have a trucking business that I run on the side and my insurance is $29,000 a year, so doctors have it good.
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Old 04-21-2015, 07:19 AM
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Fidelity released its 410K/IRA stats this week, only 0.6% of accounts have over $1 million dollars. The average person retires with $55,000 in their account. So much for the pension alternative....
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Old 04-21-2015, 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeF16
edit: the real injustice between pilots and doctors: I can't wear my uniform into a bar the way doctors wear their scrubs to scream "I MAKE LOTS OF MONEY, CHICS OUT OF MY LEAGUE COME TALK TO ME NOW"
Sure you can! You've got a flight suit right? Throw it on.

Chicks dig the heavy driver though, so never mind.
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