sailingfun

That's it, you send the dispatcher your fuel onboard and he will either give you a release under your current flt plan or issue a release 2. It's easy but a requirement often missed.

scambo1

I got a bobby Orr #4 hawkey shirt. Derek Sanderson, Phil Esposito...good stuff.

Do you remember the Phil rizzuto of the money store commercials. There's a kid on my sons swim team that looks just like him. Every time I see him I mumble "Phil rizzuto of the money store." Every time, my wife elbows me.

Launchpad475

I think Delta if I'm not mistaken considers the doorway at 1L the threshold. If you cross that you are in the zone.

Sink r8

Denny,

I was reading your posts on the WDR with interest. As a new captain constantly flying with new FO's, I find that the way to minimize big mistakes is controlling the introduction of little mistakes, especially early on. I haven't done the CQ CD yet, but there are other publications that don't need to be quoted here, which show that distractions right around pushback time lead to other issues.

I think we're paid to weigh all the information and procedures given to us, and come up with the solution that fits the experience of the aircraft, crew, and push crew, as well as conditions on the ramp.

I'm not good enough yet, that I can afford not to focus on the action outside the aircraft while we push; the FO's aren't good enough yet, that they can comfortably do something else while starting a Maddog engine (since all three of their hands are already busy), and tug drivers aren't yet good enough to guarantee that they won't make a mistake.

Maybe none of us will ever be that "good"? Maybe none of ever should try to be? Certainly, there is no tug driver out there, no matter their level of excellence, that will prevent you from having an accident on YOUR record if THEY do enough damage. I think the threshold for an accident is $50K. You can't buy a winglet for $50K, much less two.

Far from me to criticize others that have a different set of circumstances. It worked better when I was an experienced FO, with TO PERF loaded directly to the box. In my case, for now, I completely share your concerns, and I operate your way.

Carl Spackler

That wasn't a policy at NWA. Do you have a manual reference for that here at Delta?

If the FAA gave him a 30 day suspension of his licenses, that would have to have been for an FAR violation. What FAR says you have to be redispatched if you return to the gate for any reason?

Carl

Justdoinmyjob

FOM Vol.1 page 5.2.3 FDR Amendments. Bullet point #8.

Also see bullet point #12 on 5.2.4. That is the catchall.

If you generate an IN time at your departure airport, that is considered a RTG.

Carl Spackler

Thanks Just.

Now all I need from Sailingfun is the FAR that states the same thing.

Sailingfun?

Carl

sailingfun

The FOM is a binding document as far as the FAA is concerned. The company requires you to be re dispatched in that document. You have been given the exact pages.

Purple Drank

So the FAA can give me time off or yank my ticket for not wearing my hat because it's contrary to the FOM?

Try again.

Karnak

There are elements of the FOM that are regulatory. There are elements that aren't. Some are set by Delta and ALPA, and become regulatory. The best example of something that is negotiated that becomes the rule covered by FAR is 3.2.16. "Release Time" was negotiated, but governs our FDPs. Other airlines have different lengths of time for "Release". Those times govern.