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03-18-2015, 07:43 AM
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Anyone remember where/when it was written/changed about the NYC overnight hotels/layover times? It used to be greater than 12 hours and you were downtown.... it was changed to 15 hrs for NYC but can't find it anywhere... and the search function on the tables works so "well". Got into a "discussion" yesterday with crew tracking and crew accommodations. Crew accommodations refused to do anything until crew tracking changed our rotation to reflect our new layover time... after a 6 hour sit in Vegas waiting on ATC delays into JFK. Accommodations stated that we had to have a layover less than 13:30 to stay at the Airport, Crew tracking stated it was 12 hours. He went on to say that.... you guys wanted a contract, you negotiated one and it says 12 hours. Boom, end of discussion. Took every ounce of willpower I had not to go off on him. Instead my reply was...OK, I will not extend my duty day... if we go one minute over 14 hours we will do a gate return. It's in my contract. 
There is a (retired) senior scheduler now working for DALPA who knows our contract much better than most of the new schedulers you will get on the phone, let him argue with them while you go to the hotel of your choice.
03-18-2015, 08:08 AM
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As I mentioned earlier, call 1-800-USA-ALPA, ask for Contract Admin, right now. They know what's what and in some cases, they have called crew scheds for me to argue with them.
There is a (retired) senior scheduler now working for DALPA who knows our contract much better than most of the new schedulers you will get on the phone, let him argue with them while you go to the hotel of your choice.
There is a (retired) senior scheduler now working for DALPA who knows our contract much better than most of the new schedulers you will get on the phone, let him argue with them while you go to the hotel of your choice.
03-18-2015, 08:22 AM
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I know the NYC layover hotel times are extended however I think that applies for rotation construction only. I don't think they are required to rebook crews when they arrive late in NYC or any other layover. Your protection at that point falls back on 8 hours behind the door.
03-18-2015, 08:27 AM
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I know the NYC layover hotel times are extended however I think that applies for rotation construction only. I don't think they are required to rebook crews when they arrive late in NYC or any other layover. Your protection at that point falls back on 8 hours behind the door.
03-18-2015, 08:53 AM
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The GS trigger is for line holders only and does not apply if you are on reserve. Reserve GS pay is straight pay above the guarantee.
FWIW - If you have a line and are below the GS trigger with a GS you can make a bank withdrawal and apply up to 5 hours of that to meet the trigger. If you are more than 5 below the trigger I would then try a WS to meet the trigger.
FWIW - If you have a line and are below the GS trigger with a GS you can make a bank withdrawal and apply up to 5 hours of that to meet the trigger. If you are more than 5 below the trigger I would then try a WS to meet the trigger.
chuck416, check your timecard. In addition to the pay & credit totals, there's a "credit applicable to GS trigger" (something like that)--it'll tell you exactly where you stand on that. Of course, as others have pointed out, that only matters for months in which you hold a line....
(from a new guy who has yet to fly his first GS--DYYDD)
03-18-2015, 09:26 AM
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Also (in the OP's) case: isn't this one of those circumstances where the training pay (for the bounce sim) is pay/no credit, but treated as credit for purposes of GS trigger calculation?
chuck416, check your timecard. In addition to the pay & credit totals, there's a "credit applicable to GS trigger" (something like that)--it'll tell you exactly where you stand on that. Of course, as others have pointed out, that only matters for months in which you hold a line....
(from a new guy who has yet to fly his first GS--DYYDD)
chuck416, check your timecard. In addition to the pay & credit totals, there's a "credit applicable to GS trigger" (something like that)--it'll tell you exactly where you stand on that. Of course, as others have pointed out, that only matters for months in which you hold a line....
(from a new guy who has yet to fly his first GS--DYYDD)
03-18-2015, 09:34 AM
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I know the NYC layover hotel times are extended however I think that applies for rotation construction only. I don't think they are required to rebook crews when they arrive late in NYC or any other layover. [B]Your protection at that point falls back on 8 hours behind the door.
There are still 2 nonreduceble legal mins you will need in all cases to get rest.
You still need a minimum of 10 total hours of rest, with a minimum opportunity for 8 hours of uninterupted sleep.
There is absolute zero chance of that with "8 behind the door" unless you do a narcoleptic face plant in uniform before the door swings shut behind you.
8 behind the door, therefore, is in no way legal. No way. Ever.
Some people may be able to do it, theoretically, in 8.5 behind the door, but I'd guess that most will need around 9, at least, to meet the legal requirements. In all cases though, 10 hours of "rest" (including transportation local in nature) is still the minimum they can give you, and you also need the opportunity for 8 hours of sleep. So even if a hotel is super close and you get "behind the door" immediately, you'll still need 10 hours of "rest". If the hotel is far away or traffic/etc, you still need the 8 hours uninterrupted sleep opportunity, which is almost always going to be at least 9 behind the door for most human beings, regardless of how long the "rest period" is.
You need both to be legal.
03-18-2015, 09:57 AM
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03-18-2015, 09:58 AM
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03-18-2015, 10:56 AM
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